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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20261</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RHE = Pearl Buck. Rob Bell = Alfred Loisy. And so it repeats itself in every age. Is she telling her story as a rediscovery of theirs, or as something new? Because her path to doubt is one well trodden in ages past. In today&#039;s scene, she&#039;ll be and Episcopalian very soon if she isn&#039;t one already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RHE = Pearl Buck. Rob Bell = Alfred Loisy. And so it repeats itself in every age. Is she telling her story as a rediscovery of theirs, or as something new? Because her path to doubt is one well trodden in ages past. In today&#8217;s scene, she&#8217;ll be and Episcopalian very soon if she isn&#8217;t one already.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Coulter</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just returned from Crete so I have not read this review. I&#039;m not sure how fair it actually is.

Knowing something about Dayton, TN, I can tell you that there is not much wiggle room by way of theological engagement. RHE sounds to me like someone struggling theologically with the narrow set of resources she actually has available to her by virtue of her &quot;tradition.&quot; So, should we simply point out the flaws? Should we quote Job back at her as though this is where she&#039;s coming from?

On the Reformed theology front, it&#039;s just not fair to talk about how shallow her views are without asking what branch of the Reformed world she was exposed to. It&#039;s clear that Van Till lurks behind this review, but Van Till is by no means that only Reformed perspective on apologetics, as you no doubt know. 

I have seen theonomists tear up Reformed churches, watched Boettner&#039;s hyper-Calvinism turn some Reformed folks (TR&#039;s mainly or those with &quot;Reformed Rage&quot; as Michael Horton has noted) into hate-mongers who have no problem saying it&#039;s God&#039;s will that x happened in quite unsophisticated ways. At the same time, I have seen profound articulations of the Christian faith coupled with deep piety in Reformed thinkers.

In other words, we cannot simply lay the fault at a women nurtured in a narrow circle of theology and who may have been exposed to Reformed thinkers representing a very small slice of the movement. 

This is one of the big hang ups in the apologetics frontier. I have read statements from Van Till that illustrate his readiness to lump Catholics and Wesleyans (revivalists) all together in the same semi-pelagian boat (naive at best, heretics most likely). Is it really that black and white? Really? Is it really Christianity vs. Barthianism? 

I, for one, appreciate her attempt to break free from a narrowly defined theological world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned from Crete so I have not read this review. I&#8217;m not sure how fair it actually is.</p>
<p>Knowing something about Dayton, TN, I can tell you that there is not much wiggle room by way of theological engagement. RHE sounds to me like someone struggling theologically with the narrow set of resources she actually has available to her by virtue of her &#8220;tradition.&#8221; So, should we simply point out the flaws? Should we quote Job back at her as though this is where she&#8217;s coming from?</p>
<p>On the Reformed theology front, it&#8217;s just not fair to talk about how shallow her views are without asking what branch of the Reformed world she was exposed to. It&#8217;s clear that Van Till lurks behind this review, but Van Till is by no means that only Reformed perspective on apologetics, as you no doubt know. </p>
<p>I have seen theonomists tear up Reformed churches, watched Boettner&#8217;s hyper-Calvinism turn some Reformed folks (TR&#8217;s mainly or those with &#8220;Reformed Rage&#8221; as Michael Horton has noted) into hate-mongers who have no problem saying it&#8217;s God&#8217;s will that x happened in quite unsophisticated ways. At the same time, I have seen profound articulations of the Christian faith coupled with deep piety in Reformed thinkers.</p>
<p>In other words, we cannot simply lay the fault at a women nurtured in a narrow circle of theology and who may have been exposed to Reformed thinkers representing a very small slice of the movement. </p>
<p>This is one of the big hang ups in the apologetics frontier. I have read statements from Van Till that illustrate his readiness to lump Catholics and Wesleyans (revivalists) all together in the same semi-pelagian boat (naive at best, heretics most likely). Is it really that black and white? Really? Is it really Christianity vs. Barthianism? </p>
<p>I, for one, appreciate her attempt to break free from a narrowly defined theological world.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Drake</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20179</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sarah, I knew you would see the distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sarah, I knew you would see the distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Flashing</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20173</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Flashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Steve, i misstated that and never went back to fix it. Thanks for pointing that out. I agree....huge difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Steve, i misstated that and never went back to fix it. Thanks for pointing that out. I agree&#8230;.huge difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Drake</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20172</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah J. Flashing:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The remainder of the book shares RHE’s journey from doubt to faith, but it’s difficult to understand the content of this faith as she questions both its source and interpretation of the source and, it seems, prefers a Jesus Seminar method to approaching scripture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To question the source of the Bible, God&#039;s self-attesting, and self-authoritative revelation to man and woman, is part and parcel of our post-modern age.

&lt;blockquote&gt;An apologetic that starts with and depends upon the categories of philosophical reasoning outside and independent of theological conviction, and as grounds for theological conviction, can never quite make the argument for Christianity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

An apologetic that starts with &#039;theological conviction&#039; is not the same as saying an apologetic that starts with the Word of God. Big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah J. Flashing:</p>
<blockquote><p>The remainder of the book shares RHE’s journey from doubt to faith, but it’s difficult to understand the content of this faith as she questions both its source and interpretation of the source and, it seems, prefers a Jesus Seminar method to approaching scripture.</p></blockquote>
<p>To question the source of the Bible, God&#8217;s self-attesting, and self-authoritative revelation to man and woman, is part and parcel of our post-modern age.</p>
<blockquote><p>An apologetic that starts with and depends upon the categories of philosophical reasoning outside and independent of theological conviction, and as grounds for theological conviction, can never quite make the argument for Christianity.</p></blockquote>
<p>An apologetic that starts with &#8216;theological conviction&#8217; is not the same as saying an apologetic that starts with the Word of God. Big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20170</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not really neutrality.  It&#039;s consistency that I&#039;m interested in, and you can be consistent without being neutral.  There must, I am charitably supposing, be some difference that you perceive between Christian experiences of God and other religious experiences.  Here is one possibility: the Christian experiences of God are Christian, and the others are not.  But there are other possibilities, too, so I can&#039;t just pick one out of a hat and attribute it to you.  I&#039;d like for you to tell me which one it is, is what I&#039;m asking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not really neutrality.  It&#8217;s consistency that I&#8217;m interested in, and you can be consistent without being neutral.  There must, I am charitably supposing, be some difference that you perceive between Christian experiences of God and other religious experiences.  Here is one possibility: the Christian experiences of God are Christian, and the others are not.  But there are other possibilities, too, so I can&#8217;t just pick one out of a hat and attribute it to you.  I&#8217;d like for you to tell me which one it is, is what I&#8217;m asking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah J. Flashing</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20169</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah J. Flashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t understand my answer because you&#039;re filtering it through your own grid that demands Christianity to meet the requirements of neutrality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t understand my answer because you&#8217;re filtering it through your own grid that demands Christianity to meet the requirements of neutrality.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20168</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To seriously ask this question is to subject the Christian worldview to the demands of unbelief.&quot;

I don&#039;t see how you can say this.  Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and so on have religious experiences all the time and none of them are non-believers or are operating under &quot;the demands of unbelief,&quot; whatever those may be.

So let me ask again: would you, as a Christian, recognize the validity of a belief in another religion based on the same criteria that you use to validate your belief in Christianity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To seriously ask this question is to subject the Christian worldview to the demands of unbelief.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can say this.  Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and so on have religious experiences all the time and none of them are non-believers or are operating under &#8220;the demands of unbelief,&#8221; whatever those may be.</p>
<p>So let me ask again: would you, as a Christian, recognize the validity of a belief in another religion based on the same criteria that you use to validate your belief in Christianity?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah J. Flashing</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20167</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah J. Flashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To seriously ask this question is to subject the Christian worldview to the demands of unbelief. No, belief in any other religion may be logical to the standards of evidence utilized by modernism, but it doesn&#039;t meet the internal demands of Christianity. It&#039;s not a Christian&#039;s job to meet these demands but to proclaim Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To seriously ask this question is to subject the Christian worldview to the demands of unbelief. No, belief in any other religion may be logical to the standards of evidence utilized by modernism, but it doesn&#8217;t meet the internal demands of Christianity. It&#8217;s not a Christian&#8217;s job to meet these demands but to proclaim Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/10/when-doubt-becomes-skepticism/#comment-20166</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I went through a struggle similar to hers and came to the conclusion that—though certainly not useless—the &#039;objective&#039; arguments I was utilizing to &#039;prove&#039; God or Christianity were actually creating a plausible argument for doubt. It is the truth of Christianity confirmed by my subjective experience with Holy Spirit and revealed to me by God in the objective form of scripture that liberated me from the necessity of these arguments as grounds for belief. And this is hardly against reason.&quot;

So would you say that belief in any other religion is reasonable if it grows out of similar experiences? What about non-belief? Does an experience of godlessness justify atheism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I went through a struggle similar to hers and came to the conclusion that—though certainly not useless—the &#8216;objective&#8217; arguments I was utilizing to &#8216;prove&#8217; God or Christianity were actually creating a plausible argument for doubt. It is the truth of Christianity confirmed by my subjective experience with Holy Spirit and revealed to me by God in the objective form of scripture that liberated me from the necessity of these arguments as grounds for belief. And this is hardly against reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>So would you say that belief in any other religion is reasonable if it grows out of similar experiences? What about non-belief? Does an experience of godlessness justify atheism?</p>
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