Comments on: Is “Christian” the New “Gay”? http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/ A First Things Blog Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:35:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Headlines | The Daily Slog http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19139 Headlines | The Daily Slog Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:15:50 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19139 [...] ‘Christian’ the New ‘Gay’?”–headline, FirstThings.com, [...] [...] ‘Christian’ the New ‘Gay’?”–headline, FirstThings.com, [...]

]]> By: Tom Gilson http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19133 Tom Gilson Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:43:43 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19133 JGY, Thank you for reminding us that self-parody is not a lost art. JGY,

Thank you for reminding us that self-parody is not a lost art.

]]> By: pentamom http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19132 pentamom Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:13:16 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19132 JGY -- that just goes to show the folly of pigeonholing and profiling instead of finding out things about people as individuals, I guess. You're highly likely to be extremely wrong. I don't know a single person who fits even half of those; I know very few people who fit any of them other than the first, and loving well-made movies based on literary masterpieces is hardly an evangelical distinctive. JGY — that just goes to show the folly of pigeonholing and profiling instead of finding out things about people as individuals, I guess. You’re highly likely to be extremely wrong. I don’t know a single person who fits even half of those; I know very few people who fit any of them other than the first, and loving well-made movies based on literary masterpieces is hardly an evangelical distinctive.

]]> By: Orthodoxdj http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19130 Orthodoxdj Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:26:53 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19130 When I encounter people like JGY, I default to my own stereotypes: Used to be totally immersed in all that is listed in his/her post. Outgrew said non-sense. Now sees that our only hope is the government if and only if that government supports gay marriage and abortion. Rich people suck. They especially suck if they're white. JGY is white and rich. When I encounter people like JGY, I default to my own stereotypes:

Used to be totally immersed in all that is listed in his/her post.

Outgrew said non-sense.

Now sees that our only hope is the government if and only if that government supports gay marriage and abortion.

Rich people suck. They especially suck if they’re white. JGY is white and rich.

]]> By: The World Wide (Religious) Web for Tuesday, August 2, 2011 « GeorgePWood.com http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19128 The World Wide (Religious) Web for Tuesday, August 2, 2011 « GeorgePWood.com Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:31:35 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19128 [...] NO? “Is Christian the New Gay?” GAYLE TROTTER: How have evangelicals modeled the gay and lesbian community in the workplace and [...] [...] NO? “Is Christian the New Gay?” GAYLE TROTTER: How have evangelicals modeled the gay and lesbian community in the workplace and [...]

]]> By: Steve Drake http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19126 Steve Drake Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:18:58 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19126 JGY, Quite an impressive caricaturization. I'm curious, what is it about <i>science</i> that you think evangelicals dislike? JGY,
Quite an impressive caricaturization. I’m curious, what is it about science that you think evangelicals dislike?

]]> By: JGY http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19125 JGY Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:35:23 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19125 When someone identifies as an evangelical, I try to fight the tendency to pigeonhole them with following profile: Favorite films: The Lord of the Ring trilogy Literary tastes: the Left Behind series, Frank Peretti, anything by Rick Warren Other cultural interests: Kinkade, Christian rock Political orientation: Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin before her; George W. (secretly these days) Role models: Carrie Prejean, those listed directly above Dislikes: Science, universities (but Biola is pretty awesome), recycling, other religious traditions, the NY Times (I've never read it), Harry Potter. Life fantasy: cruise ship and Holy Land combo tour with a C.S. Lewis impersonator who will equip us to combat gay marriage and "secular worldviews" (which, as we all know, claim that truth and morality are relative). When someone identifies as an evangelical, I try to fight the tendency to pigeonhole them with following profile:

Favorite films: The Lord of the Ring trilogy

Literary tastes: the Left Behind series, Frank Peretti, anything by Rick Warren

Other cultural interests: Kinkade, Christian rock

Political orientation: Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin before her; George W. (secretly these days)

Role models: Carrie Prejean, those listed directly above

Dislikes: Science, universities (but Biola is pretty awesome), recycling, other religious traditions, the NY Times (I’ve never read it), Harry Potter.

Life fantasy: cruise ship and Holy Land combo tour with a C.S. Lewis impersonator who will equip us to combat gay marriage and “secular worldviews” (which, as we all know, claim that truth and morality are relative).

]]> By: Hunter Baker http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19123 Hunter Baker Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:26:32 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19123 Well done, Gayle. This was an interview worth reading. Well done, Gayle. This was an interview worth reading.

]]> By: pentamom http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19122 pentamom Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:38:25 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19122 Matt, I believe the point is that conversion as a "dramatic experience" is often referred to in common parlance as a "born again experience." However, that's not exactly what being born again means. One can experience regeneration in a variety of ways, not all of them dramatic or even necessarily very time-specific. So Jesus said, "You must be born again." He did not say, "You must go through a particular kind of conversion experience." There are many ways in which people experience being born again. Some are barely distinguishable from being born the first time and raised in the faith; some are a gradual process of one day realizing that you simply believe and trust Christ without having any "zap" moment, and so on. For some, it's a definite experience, but not necessarily more dramatic than the day calculus starts making sense to you, etc. Matt, I believe the point is that conversion as a “dramatic experience” is often referred to in common parlance as a “born again experience.” However, that’s not exactly what being born again means. One can experience regeneration in a variety of ways, not all of them dramatic or even necessarily very time-specific.

So Jesus said, “You must be born again.” He did not say, “You must go through a particular kind of conversion experience.” There are many ways in which people experience being born again. Some are barely distinguishable from being born the first time and raised in the faith; some are a gradual process of one day realizing that you simply believe and trust Christ without having any “zap” moment, and so on. For some, it’s a definite experience, but not necessarily more dramatic than the day calculus starts making sense to you, etc.

]]> By: NKW http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19121 NKW Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:52:10 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19121 Lindsay seems to be saying that evangelicals are the only ones who are compelled by their faith to "live a certain way" and "bear witness to their faith in word and deed." How cosmopolitan of him. Lindsay seems to be saying that evangelicals are the only ones who are compelled by their faith to “live a certain way” and “bear witness to their faith in word and deed.” How cosmopolitan of him.

]]> By: Matt http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/08/is-christian-the-new-gay/#comment-19120 Matt Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:44:10 +0000 http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/?p=11448#comment-19120 That’s what some refer to as a “born again” experience. Or it can be a gradual process of renewing one’s faith or coming to faith. Second is that they believe in the importance of the Bible. Dr. Lindsay's language seems to indicate that being "born again" is one option for a personal relationship with Jesus? Seems Jesus did not (John 3). That’s what some refer to as a “born again” experience. Or it can be a gradual process of renewing one’s faith or coming to faith. Second is that they believe in the importance of the Bible.

Dr. Lindsay’s language seems to indicate that being “born again” is one option for a personal relationship with Jesus? Seems Jesus did not (John 3).

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