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		<title>By: Livingston Dell</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19107</link>
		<dc:creator>Livingston Dell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 06:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; &quot;Indeed, Frank Schaeffer does sound a lot like Lord Voldemort.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Exactly, blaming all the muggles. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> &#8220;Indeed, Frank Schaeffer does sound a lot like Lord Voldemort.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Exactly, blaming all the muggles. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolai Volk</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19106</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolai Volk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I don’t mean to sound like Glenn Beck, but blaming a certain religious/socioeconomic class for economic downfall and tragedy sounds like you-know-who….&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, Frank Schaeffer does sound a lot like Lord Voldemort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I don’t mean to sound like Glenn Beck, but blaming a certain religious/socioeconomic class for economic downfall and tragedy sounds like you-know-who….&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Indeed, Frank Schaeffer does sound a lot like Lord Voldemort.</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19105</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Regardless of the problem Frank just rounds up the usual suspects.&quot;

I laughed at that, but then I remembered his father. How very sad that his legacy (in his son) has been so trashed. However, his legacy lives on in others in far better ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Regardless of the problem Frank just rounds up the usual suspects.&#8221;</p>
<p>I laughed at that, but then I remembered his father. How very sad that his legacy (in his son) has been so trashed. However, his legacy lives on in others in far better ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Livingston Dell</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19104</link>
		<dc:creator>Livingston Dell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to sound like Glenn Beck, but blaming a certain religious/socioeconomic class for economic downfall and tragedy sounds like you-know-who.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to sound like Glenn Beck, but blaming a certain religious/socioeconomic class for economic downfall and tragedy sounds like you-know-who&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19103</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Frank Schaeffer.  I just had a read of one of his Huffington Post articles, which says that Evangelicals are to blame for the US debt deadlock.  It can be found here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/debt-ceiling-chaos-is-a-b_b_899561.html

Bizarrely enough large parts of the Norway killings article are just a cut and paste from the debt article.

Regardless of the problem Frank just rounds up the usual suspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Frank Schaeffer.  I just had a read of one of his Huffington Post articles, which says that Evangelicals are to blame for the US debt deadlock.  It can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/debt-ceiling-chaos-is-a-b_b_899561.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/debt-ceiling-chaos-is-a-b_b_899561.html</a></p>
<p>Bizarrely enough large parts of the Norway killings article are just a cut and paste from the debt article.</p>
<p>Regardless of the problem Frank just rounds up the usual suspects.</p>
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		<title>By: Orthodoxdj</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19102</link>
		<dc:creator>Orthodoxdj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following Frank for about 12 years. I&#039;ve read four of his books: one about why he became Orthodox, the first two in the Calvin Becker trilogy, and his autobiography that came out three years ago. The guy has serious issues. The title of his latest book will tell you that in and of itself. I don&#039;t think he has changed a lot in terms of his personality. What has changed are his &quot;views.&quot; I say it that way because it seems to me that what he &quot;believes&quot; has alwas taken a backseat to being noticed. The quotation above about what America needs sounds like a platitude that ANY politician could use in a speech. It doesn&#039;t tell us much about Frank. Look at the irony of what he says about doing away with utilitarianism in an article in which he defends keeping abortion legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following Frank for about 12 years. I&#8217;ve read four of his books: one about why he became Orthodox, the first two in the Calvin Becker trilogy, and his autobiography that came out three years ago. The guy has serious issues. The title of his latest book will tell you that in and of itself. I don&#8217;t think he has changed a lot in terms of his personality. What has changed are his &#8220;views.&#8221; I say it that way because it seems to me that what he &#8220;believes&#8221; has alwas taken a backseat to being noticed. The quotation above about what America needs sounds like a platitude that ANY politician could use in a speech. It doesn&#8217;t tell us much about Frank. Look at the irony of what he says about doing away with utilitarianism in an article in which he defends keeping abortion legal.</p>
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		<title>By: david c</title>
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		<dc:creator>david c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure this rant be Franki can is properly categorized as the &quot;usual left talking points&quot; or as bizarre conspiracy theory -- though like on any extreme the two often seem to conflate (see 9/11 &quot;Truth&quot; sites for example).  But whatever the name it is quite bizarre.  Robert P. George and Peter Kreeft as leaders of a nascent school of fundamentalist Christian jihad??!!?  In what universe does that even make any sense for goodness sake?  It&#039;s hilarious.  A BC philosopher and a Princeton legal scholar and ethicist -- irenic Catholics both leading a violent movement to overthrow the US government?  Whatever Frankie is smoking must be some powerful stuff..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure this rant be Franki can is properly categorized as the &#8220;usual left talking points&#8221; or as bizarre conspiracy theory &#8212; though like on any extreme the two often seem to conflate (see 9/11 &#8220;Truth&#8221; sites for example).  But whatever the name it is quite bizarre.  Robert P. George and Peter Kreeft as leaders of a nascent school of fundamentalist Christian jihad??!!?  In what universe does that even make any sense for goodness sake?  It&#8217;s hilarious.  A BC philosopher and a Princeton legal scholar and ethicist &#8212; irenic Catholics both leading a violent movement to overthrow the US government?  Whatever Frankie is smoking must be some powerful stuff..</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikolai:

&quot;I wouldn’t say that; I’d say he’s, and I’m saying this without any respite or vitriol given my hatred for the current political discourse (and I really don’t have any personal problems with the man), a fairly typical example of left-wing talking points.&quot;

I&#039;m not in/from the US, may assessment that he was a conspiracy theorist was based on his article&#039;s style of reasoning; guilt by tenuous or non-existant association together with a view that a particular group of people he disagrees with are responsible for most or all of the evil in the world.

If that is mainstream US left wing analysis, I would be very worried.  The thing the article reminded me most of was the rambling Jewish conspiracy theory rants that seem popular on the far right here in Europe.

It is a pity to see where Frank Schaeffer has ended up, as I regard his father&#039;s &quot;trilogy&quot; of books in the 1960s as being amongst the best Christian analysis of the cultural trends of the period and unfortunately I don&#039;t see anything written today of the same quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikolai:</p>
<p>&#8220;I wouldn’t say that; I’d say he’s, and I’m saying this without any respite or vitriol given my hatred for the current political discourse (and I really don’t have any personal problems with the man), a fairly typical example of left-wing talking points.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in/from the US, may assessment that he was a conspiracy theorist was based on his article&#8217;s style of reasoning; guilt by tenuous or non-existant association together with a view that a particular group of people he disagrees with are responsible for most or all of the evil in the world.</p>
<p>If that is mainstream US left wing analysis, I would be very worried.  The thing the article reminded me most of was the rambling Jewish conspiracy theory rants that seem popular on the far right here in Europe.</p>
<p>It is a pity to see where Frank Schaeffer has ended up, as I regard his father&#8217;s &#8220;trilogy&#8221; of books in the 1960s as being amongst the best Christian analysis of the cultural trends of the period and unfortunately I don&#8217;t see anything written today of the same quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolai Volk</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/07/responsibility-claimed-in-norway-attacks/#comment-19098</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolai Volk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;He has now moved on into bizarre political conspiracy theory territory.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t say that; I&#039;d say he&#039;s, and I&#039;m saying this without any respite or vitriol given my hatred for the current political discourse (and I really don&#039;t have any personal problems with the man), a fairly typical example of left-wing talking points. It seems like he was a typical right-leaning Christian and then caved to all of the criticisms those commonly called &quot;leftists&quot; lob at Christians and is now part of the club of all of the smart intellectuals who love destroying those &quot;Christian fundamentalists.&quot; The guy blogs on the Huffington Post, for heck&#039;s sake. Now, admittedly, his views don&#039;t have to necessarily be part of some larger ideological group or worldview, but the way he acts gives the impression that he&#039;s trying to impress a certain group of people by his conversion from a group that the aforementioned group dislikes. 

I actually rather liked his article &quot;Why I&#039;m Pro-Life and Pro-Obama&quot; (found here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/why-im-prolife-and-prooba_b_85636.html ). Despite the fact that his views on abortion are rather obfuscated (&quot;I oppose abortion, but I think it must be legal,&quot; which he then never goes on to clarify), he makes some pretty solid points. I like this one: 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;What we need in America is a spiritual rebirth, a turning away from the false value of consumerism and utilitarianism that have trumped every aspect of human life. To implement this vision we need leaders that inspire but to do so they have to be what they say they are. It&#039;s not about policy it&#039;s about character.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;He has now moved on into bizarre political conspiracy theory territory.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that; I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s, and I&#8217;m saying this without any respite or vitriol given my hatred for the current political discourse (and I really don&#8217;t have any personal problems with the man), a fairly typical example of left-wing talking points. It seems like he was a typical right-leaning Christian and then caved to all of the criticisms those commonly called &#8220;leftists&#8221; lob at Christians and is now part of the club of all of the smart intellectuals who love destroying those &#8220;Christian fundamentalists.&#8221; The guy blogs on the Huffington Post, for heck&#8217;s sake. Now, admittedly, his views don&#8217;t have to necessarily be part of some larger ideological group or worldview, but the way he acts gives the impression that he&#8217;s trying to impress a certain group of people by his conversion from a group that the aforementioned group dislikes. </p>
<p>I actually rather liked his article &#8220;Why I&#8217;m Pro-Life and Pro-Obama&#8221; (found here: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/why-im-prolife-and-prooba_b_85636.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/why-im-prolife-and-prooba_b_85636.html</a> ). Despite the fact that his views on abortion are rather obfuscated (&#8220;I oppose abortion, but I think it must be legal,&#8221; which he then never goes on to clarify), he makes some pretty solid points. I like this one: </p>
<p><i>&#8220;What we need in America is a spiritual rebirth, a turning away from the false value of consumerism and utilitarianism that have trumped every aspect of human life. To implement this vision we need leaders that inspire but to do so they have to be what they say they are. It&#8217;s not about policy it&#8217;s about character.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, I think Schaeffer&#039;s Orthodox Fundamentalism, as you term it, was an earlier phase in his life.  He has now moved on into bizarre political conspiracy theory territory.  While the beliefs he happens to hold at any given time may change, the contempt which he has for those who happen to disagree appears to be a constant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I think Schaeffer&#8217;s Orthodox Fundamentalism, as you term it, was an earlier phase in his life.  He has now moved on into bizarre political conspiracy theory territory.  While the beliefs he happens to hold at any given time may change, the contempt which he has for those who happen to disagree appears to be a constant.</p>
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		<title>By: sean carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t quite figure the man out. He&#039;s written some very good books related to the military life then turns around &amp;, once again, uses his parents/upbringing as fodder for another book.One wants to cry out, &quot;Oh, get over it!&quot;.
Oddly Schaeffer himself is something of an Orthodox Fundamentalist. If you want to catch something of the allure of Orthodoxy don&#039;t read Schaeffer, read Frederica Mathewes-Green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t quite figure the man out. He&#8217;s written some very good books related to the military life then turns around &amp;, once again, uses his parents/upbringing as fodder for another book.One wants to cry out, &#8220;Oh, get over it!&#8221;.<br />
Oddly Schaeffer himself is something of an Orthodox Fundamentalist. If you want to catch something of the allure of Orthodoxy don&#8217;t read Schaeffer, read Frederica Mathewes-Green.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Lythgoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret Lythgoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evil, terrible Norway attacks, rest with one person, and one person only, Anders Behring Brevik.

Oh, I&#039;m so sorry, I should say &quot;alleged&#039;&#039; person responsible. 


Christianity is about peace, and love. Anyone who uses it for hate and violence, has done great evil, as this Brevik has allegedly (can&#039;t forget that word) done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evil, terrible Norway attacks, rest with one person, and one person only, Anders Behring Brevik.</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m so sorry, I should say &#8220;alleged&#8221; person responsible. </p>
<p>Christianity is about peace, and love. Anyone who uses it for hate and violence, has done great evil, as this Brevik has allegedly (can&#8217;t forget that word) done.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the debunking in the world wouldn&#039;t change Franky&#039;s opinion, so is it even worth trying?

There are plenty of vituperative bomb-throwers like Franky out there on the left and the right, and honestly, with such obtuse, shallow thinking on his part, one wonders if Franky is just trying to fit in. 

Hope that hate keeps you warm at night, Mr. Schaeffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the debunking in the world wouldn&#8217;t change Franky&#8217;s opinion, so is it even worth trying?</p>
<p>There are plenty of vituperative bomb-throwers like Franky out there on the left and the right, and honestly, with such obtuse, shallow thinking on his part, one wonders if Franky is just trying to fit in. </p>
<p>Hope that hate keeps you warm at night, Mr. Schaeffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolai Volk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikolai Volk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;He doesn’t sound like any Fundamentalist that I have ever heard.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The media loves them some sensationalism.

And as for Schaeffer, well, his article is really just a straw man dressed as intellectual journalism. I think that says enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;He doesn’t sound like any Fundamentalist that I have ever heard.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The media loves them some sensationalism.</p>
<p>And as for Schaeffer, well, his article is really just a straw man dressed as intellectual journalism. I think that says enough.</p>
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		<title>By: R Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Christians try use &quot;Christianity&quot; as a political term in contradictory ways.

On the one hand, they will claim that ours is a Christian nation with something like 90% of our citizens belonging to the Judeo-Christian tradition -- a very broad use of the term &quot;Christian&quot; to suit cultural conservative arguments.

On the other hand, they will claim particular individuals and/or groups are not Christian because they fail to meet some stringent theological requirements -- a very narrow use of the term &quot;Christian&quot; often made to exclude culturally moderate or liberal groups from blurring or muting the cultural conservative&#039;s political use of Christianity.

You can&#039;t have it both ways.

So if you are going to argue that nominal Christians aren&#039;t really Christian, then as a matter of principle, please apply that standard consistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Christians try use &#8220;Christianity&#8221; as a political term in contradictory ways.</p>
<p>On the one hand, they will claim that ours is a Christian nation with something like 90% of our citizens belonging to the Judeo-Christian tradition &#8212; a very broad use of the term &#8220;Christian&#8221; to suit cultural conservative arguments.</p>
<p>On the other hand, they will claim particular individuals and/or groups are not Christian because they fail to meet some stringent theological requirements &#8212; a very narrow use of the term &#8220;Christian&#8221; often made to exclude culturally moderate or liberal groups from blurring or muting the cultural conservative&#8217;s political use of Christianity.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>So if you are going to argue that nominal Christians aren&#8217;t really Christian, then as a matter of principle, please apply that standard consistently.</p>
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