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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Friday Link Wrap-up</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17491</link>
		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Friday Link Wrap-up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Link Wrap-up   By Doug Hunter Baker, writing at &quot;First Things&quot;, responds to Jim Wallis&#8217; question &quot;What Would Jesus Cut&quot;, referring to government [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Livingston Dell</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17470</link>
		<dc:creator>Livingston Dell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; &quot;Probably the most essential purpose of government is to protect the life and freedom of citizens.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

There seem to be a lot of you who are looking for a reasoning for this claim. Many of you are looking for Biblical evidence or what Jesus would want a government to do, but I don&#039;t think you&#039;re going to find Biblical answers for the purpose of the government. The purpose of the United States government is not determined by the Bible, nor should it be. It&#039;s clear that the purpose of our government it determined by us, the people. I argue the purpose of the government should be searched for in the Constitution, not the Bible. If our government gained it&#039;s authority and power from the Bible, than it would be a proper place to look. I would look to the preamble, which states the source of the authority of the government, and the purpose. 

Both the protection of the citizens, and the pursuance of justice are both mentioned. So although the purpose of the government is to protect the people, I think that there should be a balance between it&#039;s duties. I&#039;ve had no indications, nor have I found any evidence that state that there is an imperative need for an increase in military spending. 

On to the question about taxation, I really don&#039;t find much justification for such a heavy taxation on the rich. I think that each citizen has a proportional duty of citizenship.This DOESN&#039;T mean that taxation should &quot;hurt&quot; each person just as much as the next. Although I think that the rich should donate more to the poor of possible, I don&#039;t think that it is the place of the government to make that decision for them.</description>
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<p>There seem to be a lot of you who are looking for a reasoning for this claim. Many of you are looking for Biblical evidence or what Jesus would want a government to do, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re going to find Biblical answers for the purpose of the government. The purpose of the United States government is not determined by the Bible, nor should it be. It&#8217;s clear that the purpose of our government it determined by us, the people. I argue the purpose of the government should be searched for in the Constitution, not the Bible. If our government gained it&#8217;s authority and power from the Bible, than it would be a proper place to look. I would look to the preamble, which states the source of the authority of the government, and the purpose. </p>
<p>Both the protection of the citizens, and the pursuance of justice are both mentioned. So although the purpose of the government is to protect the people, I think that there should be a balance between it&#8217;s duties. I&#8217;ve had no indications, nor have I found any evidence that state that there is an imperative need for an increase in military spending. </p>
<p>On to the question about taxation, I really don&#8217;t find much justification for such a heavy taxation on the rich. I think that each citizen has a proportional duty of citizenship.This DOESN&#8217;T mean that taxation should &#8220;hurt&#8221; each person just as much as the next. Although I think that the rich should donate more to the poor of possible, I don&#8217;t think that it is the place of the government to make that decision for them.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ehrlich</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17463</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Still another problem with this redistributionist attitude about taxes and spending is that it assumes a zero sum state of affairs.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a broad claim.  Why assume that &quot;this redistributionist attitude&quot; assumes this?  (Mr. Baker&#039;s strawman strategy seems to have popped up again.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Still another problem with this redistributionist attitude about taxes and spending is that it assumes a zero sum state of affairs.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a broad claim.  Why assume that &#8220;this redistributionist attitude&#8221; assumes this?  (Mr. Baker&#8217;s strawman strategy seems to have popped up again.)</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ehrlich</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17462</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The first question I have is how does Jim Wallis know that the level of taxation was just to begin with?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It would be interesting to Mr. Baker&#039;s theory on how to determine just levels of taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;The first question I have is how does Jim Wallis know that the level of taxation was just to begin with?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It would be interesting to Mr. Baker&#8217;s theory on how to determine just levels of taxation.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ehrlich</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17461</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does one arrive at the idea that &quot;probably the most essential purpose of government is to protect the life and freedom of citizens...&lt;i&gt;through military means&lt;/i&gt;&quot;?  is this something Jesus taught?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one arrive at the idea that &#8220;probably the most essential purpose of government is to protect the life and freedom of citizens&#8230;<i>through military means</i>&#8220;?  is this something Jesus taught?</p>
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		<title>By: ThoughtBolts</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17446</link>
		<dc:creator>ThoughtBolts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Response to &#8220;What Would Jesus Cut?&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17442</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure about it coming from a &quot;good heart.&quot;  Wallis routinely promotes envy, covetousness, and class warfare.  Those aren&#039;t things that come from a good heart, nor something that a supposed Christian should ever support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about it coming from a &#8220;good heart.&#8221;  Wallis routinely promotes envy, covetousness, and class warfare.  Those aren&#8217;t things that come from a good heart, nor something that a supposed Christian should ever support.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron W</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17439</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 11:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Simmons gets it. That Bible verse (that seems to be about taxes) has nothing to do with taxes. The point I&#039;m trying to get at is this whole exercise (What would Jesus cut?) is an attempt to point out hypocrisy and nothing to do with the budget or otherwise.  It&#039;s just meant as a trap, and nothing more.  To respond to it otherwise (as in this article) is give in to the author&#039;s intended trap to show that &#039;Christians&#039; as he defines them, are hypocrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Simmons gets it. That Bible verse (that seems to be about taxes) has nothing to do with taxes. The point I&#8217;m trying to get at is this whole exercise (What would Jesus cut?) is an attempt to point out hypocrisy and nothing to do with the budget or otherwise.  It&#8217;s just meant as a trap, and nothing more.  To respond to it otherwise (as in this article) is give in to the author&#8217;s intended trap to show that &#8216;Christians&#8217; as he defines them, are hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>By: KEITH PAVLISCHEK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KEITH PAVLISCHEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 06:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m personally opposed to those who refuse to help the poor and oppressed but I don’t want to impose my private sectarian convictions about caring for the poor on the rest of society. I am opposed to any law or policy restricting or interfering with capitalist acts between consenting adults. Instead of supporting taxation (and the force, coercion and violence that go with all taxation), we should work as private citizens to reduce the need for taxes. In short, I’m both pro-poor and anti-tax. 

I know, I know, this is infantile nonsense, but it works for Jim (What-would-Jesus-Cut?) Wallis and Tony Campolo on the subject of you-know-what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m personally opposed to those who refuse to help the poor and oppressed but I don’t want to impose my private sectarian convictions about caring for the poor on the rest of society. I am opposed to any law or policy restricting or interfering with capitalist acts between consenting adults. Instead of supporting taxation (and the force, coercion and violence that go with all taxation), we should work as private citizens to reduce the need for taxes. In short, I’m both pro-poor and anti-tax. </p>
<p>I know, I know, this is infantile nonsense, but it works for Jim (What-would-Jesus-Cut?) Wallis and Tony Campolo on the subject of you-know-what.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolai Volk</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17432</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolai Volk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 03:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Nikolai, I question the premise of your comment about “letting the rich off with a more lax tax rate.” We do have progressive taxation and the rich do pay a much larger portion of the overall taxes per capita than other citizens. I am happy they are able to pay, but it is not clear to me that they deserve to have us look at them in this way as a kind of piggy bank.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I&#039;m not sure where I stand on the progressive tax/flat tax debate, but I&#039;m more inclined towards the latter (although not greatly). My point was more that the justification for the Bush tax cuts was largely tied to Reaganomics and the principle of &quot;trickle down&quot; wealth. But, unfortunately, it&#039;s quite clear that Reaganomics doesn&#039;t work. If it did, we wouldn&#039;t be as in the rough as we are now. It&#039;s not as if the rich are entitled to those tax cuts or that they&#039;re even necessary. 

Now, I am against &quot;the war on prosperity.&quot; I am against the government demonzing the rich. However, to me it&#039;s not clear what a &quot;fair&quot; tax rate is; given the implication that comes from lowering the tax rates on the rich, however, it&#039;s not quite clear to me that perhaps that isn&#039;t the best option. I do think ultimately though, in the time of crisis, the middle class should be contributing too if the rich are going to be contributing. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It’s funny that liberals complained a lot during the Bush years that Bush kept imposing his Christian beliefs (including things such as cutting off abortion funding both at home and abroad), yet under Obama liberals suddenly have a “Christian imperative”, one that has to do with money and not abortion, marriage, and euthanasia. Funny how that works.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Orthodoxdj, I wholeheartedly agree and I&#039;ve actually written about this contradiction before. Conservative media does contradict itself quite a bit, but the liberals aren&#039;t immune to it either. Bush was a massive violator of church and state, but we have a Christian imperative to give to the poor? Stay on one side of the argument, please. I usually don&#039;t align with Sojourners and Wallis on many things; I wrote a pretty long defense of Christian libertarianism in response to an article by Wallis (which ultimately tried to equivocate the Tea Party with all libertarian philosophy, which is bad).

As for what we should be taxing people, I&#039;m not sure. I&#039;m new to the whole tax game myself, and I&#039;m not quite clear on what is concerned what a &quot;fair&quot; tax is. I wish my taxes wouldn&#039;t go to fund unnecessary wars, the taking of innocent, unborn life, and congressional vacations, but if everyone got to pick and choose taxes, we&#039;d all be screwed. Moreover, in a time of crisis, as much as I hate government intervention, I see a necessity for us to contribute more than we ordinarily would, even if only for awhile. 

I read this article from &lt;i&gt;The Atlantic&lt;/i&gt; recently, and I think it demonstrates a glaring problem with the rich/poor dichotomy in society:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/1/

Now, I don&#039;t think the solution is running into gated communities with grenades shouting &quot;WILD CARD!!!,&quot; but something does need to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Nikolai, I question the premise of your comment about “letting the rich off with a more lax tax rate.” We do have progressive taxation and the rich do pay a much larger portion of the overall taxes per capita than other citizens. I am happy they are able to pay, but it is not clear to me that they deserve to have us look at them in this way as a kind of piggy bank.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where I stand on the progressive tax/flat tax debate, but I&#8217;m more inclined towards the latter (although not greatly). My point was more that the justification for the Bush tax cuts was largely tied to Reaganomics and the principle of &#8220;trickle down&#8221; wealth. But, unfortunately, it&#8217;s quite clear that Reaganomics doesn&#8217;t work. If it did, we wouldn&#8217;t be as in the rough as we are now. It&#8217;s not as if the rich are entitled to those tax cuts or that they&#8217;re even necessary. </p>
<p>Now, I am against &#8220;the war on prosperity.&#8221; I am against the government demonzing the rich. However, to me it&#8217;s not clear what a &#8220;fair&#8221; tax rate is; given the implication that comes from lowering the tax rates on the rich, however, it&#8217;s not quite clear to me that perhaps that isn&#8217;t the best option. I do think ultimately though, in the time of crisis, the middle class should be contributing too if the rich are going to be contributing. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;It’s funny that liberals complained a lot during the Bush years that Bush kept imposing his Christian beliefs (including things such as cutting off abortion funding both at home and abroad), yet under Obama liberals suddenly have a “Christian imperative”, one that has to do with money and not abortion, marriage, and euthanasia. Funny how that works.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Orthodoxdj, I wholeheartedly agree and I&#8217;ve actually written about this contradiction before. Conservative media does contradict itself quite a bit, but the liberals aren&#8217;t immune to it either. Bush was a massive violator of church and state, but we have a Christian imperative to give to the poor? Stay on one side of the argument, please. I usually don&#8217;t align with Sojourners and Wallis on many things; I wrote a pretty long defense of Christian libertarianism in response to an article by Wallis (which ultimately tried to equivocate the Tea Party with all libertarian philosophy, which is bad).</p>
<p>As for what we should be taxing people, I&#8217;m not sure. I&#8217;m new to the whole tax game myself, and I&#8217;m not quite clear on what is concerned what a &#8220;fair&#8221; tax is. I wish my taxes wouldn&#8217;t go to fund unnecessary wars, the taking of innocent, unborn life, and congressional vacations, but if everyone got to pick and choose taxes, we&#8217;d all be screwed. Moreover, in a time of crisis, as much as I hate government intervention, I see a necessity for us to contribute more than we ordinarily would, even if only for awhile. </p>
<p>I read this article from <i>The Atlantic</i> recently, and I think it demonstrates a glaring problem with the rich/poor dichotomy in society:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/1/</a></p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t think the solution is running into gated communities with grenades shouting &#8220;WILD CARD!!!,&#8221; but something does need to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17431</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 02:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehrlich, don&#039;t know whether Wallis has contributed to FT, but I&#039;m nearly certain Ron Sider has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehrlich, don&#8217;t know whether Wallis has contributed to FT, but I&#8217;m nearly certain Ron Sider has.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ehrlich</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17429</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 01:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Jim Wallis should be invited to contribute a piece to &lt;i&gt;First Things&lt;/i&gt;.  The perspectives represented here seem strangely narrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Jim Wallis should be invited to contribute a piece to <i>First Things</i>.  The perspectives represented here seem strangely narrow.</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17428</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The protection of the lives of the innocent from the unjust taking thereof is not an aspect of &quot;order/justice?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The protection of the lives of the innocent from the unjust taking thereof is not an aspect of &#8220;order/justice?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Simmons</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/03/a-response-to-what-would-jesus-cut/#comment-17426</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of that passage quoted above often eludes people. The point is not &quot;give taxes.&quot; The point is a hidden jab at the Pharisees: &quot;instead of trying to persecute me by putting me in a no-win situation of either saying &#039;yes, pay taxes&#039; (and thus sounding like a sell-out) or &#039;no, don&#039;t pay taxes&#039; (and thus making me sound like a revolutionary), you should be giving yourselves to God, you hypocritical Pharisees.&quot; The point is that taxes are a trivial matter. Fine, give them. Who cares? It&#039;s only money. Give yourselves to God, you hypocrites.

That is the point.

And to the original poster: You stated: &lt;blockquote&gt;Probably the most essential purpose of government is to protect the life and freedom of citizens.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is there any biblical evidence that authors believed that was the foundational reason for government? Romans 13:1-7 seems to imply that order/justice, not freedom and &lt;i&gt;certainly&lt;/i&gt; not protection of life, is the point of the governing powers.

Of course, if Romans 13:1-7 is to be taken seriously, we can&#039;t take up arms against a government, since God put the governments in place. But what if one government (ours, for instance) drafts us to go to to war against another government, given that attacking/rebelling against &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt; government is tantamount to resisting God, per Romans 13? It looks like a no-win situation. We have to admit that, at some points, at least one government is acting ungodly. Could it be that both are? And if so, how do we respond to this without resisting God&#039;s appointment of the governments?

Should we just take Gamaliel&#039;s advice (Acts 5:38-39?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of that passage quoted above often eludes people. The point is not &#8220;give taxes.&#8221; The point is a hidden jab at the Pharisees: &#8220;instead of trying to persecute me by putting me in a no-win situation of either saying &#8216;yes, pay taxes&#8217; (and thus sounding like a sell-out) or &#8216;no, don&#8217;t pay taxes&#8217; (and thus making me sound like a revolutionary), you should be giving yourselves to God, you hypocritical Pharisees.&#8221; The point is that taxes are a trivial matter. Fine, give them. Who cares? It&#8217;s only money. Give yourselves to God, you hypocrites.</p>
<p>That is the point.</p>
<p>And to the original poster: You stated:<br />
<blockquote>Probably the most essential purpose of government is to protect the life and freedom of citizens.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is there any biblical evidence that authors believed that was the foundational reason for government? Romans 13:1-7 seems to imply that order/justice, not freedom and <i>certainly</i> not protection of life, is the point of the governing powers.</p>
<p>Of course, if Romans 13:1-7 is to be taken seriously, we can&#8217;t take up arms against a government, since God put the governments in place. But what if one government (ours, for instance) drafts us to go to to war against another government, given that attacking/rebelling against <i>either</i> government is tantamount to resisting God, per Romans 13? It looks like a no-win situation. We have to admit that, at some points, at least one government is acting ungodly. Could it be that both are? And if so, how do we respond to this without resisting God&#8217;s appointment of the governments?</p>
<p>Should we just take Gamaliel&#8217;s advice (Acts 5:38-39?</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an inadequate response, Aaron, because we live in a republic instead of under a monarchy and thus we all share a portion of the right of governing.  That means we don&#039;t just shrug and pay.  We engage in discussion about what the taxes should accomplish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an inadequate response, Aaron, because we live in a republic instead of under a monarchy and thus we all share a portion of the right of governing.  That means we don&#8217;t just shrug and pay.  We engage in discussion about what the taxes should accomplish.</p>
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