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		<title>By: Gary Simmons</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/planned-parenthood-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-16848</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, that seems a completely fair guess.

Pentamom: right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, that seems a completely fair guess.</p>
<p>Pentamom: right on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to watch for in terms of PP&#039;s overall ethos: 

1. How many times did Live Action try these video exposés, posing as underage sex traffickers? Rumor is they have a lot more of the same still to come.
2. On how many of those attempts did the PP office they were visiting report them to the police?

Now, I&#039;m just guessing—I could be wrong—but it seems to me that If PP had reported Live Action to the police even once, they might have said so by now. Anybody think that&#039;s an irresponsible guess?

Two videos so far. Not enough to constitute a broad sampling yet. But so far PP is 0 for 2. What will it be in the end---0 for ____ ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to watch for in terms of PP&#8217;s overall ethos: </p>
<p>1. How many times did Live Action try these video exposés, posing as underage sex traffickers? Rumor is they have a lot more of the same still to come.<br />
2. On how many of those attempts did the PP office they were visiting report them to the police?</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m just guessing—I could be wrong—but it seems to me that If PP had reported Live Action to the police even once, they might have said so by now. Anybody think that&#8217;s an irresponsible guess?</p>
<p>Two videos so far. Not enough to constitute a broad sampling yet. But so far PP is 0 for 2. What will it be in the end&#8212;0 for ____ ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilson</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/planned-parenthood-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-16840</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/258796/breaking-planned-parenthood-richmond-provides-sex-trafficking-advice-kathryn-jean-lope&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ain&#039;t over yet&lt;/a&gt;. From Richmond:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The pimp announces he is running a prostitution ring involving 14- and 15-year-old girls, some of whom aren’t from the U.S. The clinic worker advises how adept the clinic is at working a “judicial bypass process” for minor abortions, announcing “we’re pretty good at handling, if someone, you know, doesn’t want someone else to know.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/258796/breaking-planned-parenthood-richmond-provides-sex-trafficking-advice-kathryn-jean-lope" rel="nofollow">ain&#8217;t over yet</a>. From Richmond:</p>
<blockquote><p>The pimp announces he is running a prostitution ring involving 14- and 15-year-old girls, some of whom aren’t from the U.S. The clinic worker advises how adept the clinic is at working a “judicial bypass process” for minor abortions, announcing “we’re pretty good at handling, if someone, you know, doesn’t want someone else to know.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pentamom makes good points. But it&#039;s also important not to demonize everyone involved in PP, as this former Planned Parenthood voice, now pro-life, argues:

http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/features/the_choice_driven_life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pentamom makes good points. But it&#8217;s also important not to demonize everyone involved in PP, as this former Planned Parenthood voice, now pro-life, argues:</p>
<p><a href="http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/features/the_choice_driven_life" rel="nofollow">http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/features/the_choice_driven_life</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 08:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pentamom, at our child&#039;s high school Planned Parenthood distributed little booklets that, among other things, made sure every kid (at least of high school age) not only knew they had a right to an abortion, but also knew that their right to abortion meant they had a right to lie to their mom and dad.

Because, as the booklet put it, &quot;it&#039;s your body&quot;. Implication: it&#039;s your body, and therefore your right to use it in whatever way you want, and if you know the legal guardians who are responsible for your well-being don&#039;t like it?

I think this was part of &quot;sex education&quot;. (Needless? to say, I only know about the booklet because our child showed it to me)

Seems to me that&#039;s what people mean when they use the word &quot;agenda&quot; - they&#039;re actually out there drumming up business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pentamom, at our child&#8217;s high school Planned Parenthood distributed little booklets that, among other things, made sure every kid (at least of high school age) not only knew they had a right to an abortion, but also knew that their right to abortion meant they had a right to lie to their mom and dad.</p>
<p>Because, as the booklet put it, &#8220;it&#8217;s your body&#8221;. Implication: it&#8217;s your body, and therefore your right to use it in whatever way you want, and if you know the legal guardians who are responsible for your well-being don&#8217;t like it?</p>
<p>I think this was part of &#8220;sex education&#8221;. (Needless? to say, I only know about the booklet because our child showed it to me)</p>
<p>Seems to me that&#8217;s what people mean when they use the word &#8220;agenda&#8221; &#8211; they&#8217;re actually out there drumming up business.</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
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		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 02:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orthodoxdj -- it doesn&#039;t address the morality of abortion, you are correct. But it does work against some of the myths surrounding legal abortion -- that it&#039;s a &quot;choice&quot; made by &quot;mature women&quot; who are exercising &quot;rights over their own bodies.&quot;

Only, apparently, sometimes it&#039;s actually the single visible option for 14 year old sex slaves whose pimps want to figure out how to keep them making money while they&#039;re recovering from the abortion, and whose only apparent alternatives involve things like starvation, being reported as illegals, and probably physical attack, and for whom the idea of rights over their own bodies is a sick joke, if it occurs to them at all. And one of the major organizations attempting to perpetrate these myths of mature decision making and rational choice is also involved in cooperating with the sex traffickers in coercing children to allow themselves and their unborn children to be violated.

And sometimes, people need their illusions about something broken down before they&#039;re able to fairly make a moral judgment about it. So it would seem that exposing the reality of what goes on would be useful in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orthodoxdj &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t address the morality of abortion, you are correct. But it does work against some of the myths surrounding legal abortion &#8212; that it&#8217;s a &#8220;choice&#8221; made by &#8220;mature women&#8221; who are exercising &#8220;rights over their own bodies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only, apparently, sometimes it&#8217;s actually the single visible option for 14 year old sex slaves whose pimps want to figure out how to keep them making money while they&#8217;re recovering from the abortion, and whose only apparent alternatives involve things like starvation, being reported as illegals, and probably physical attack, and for whom the idea of rights over their own bodies is a sick joke, if it occurs to them at all. And one of the major organizations attempting to perpetrate these myths of mature decision making and rational choice is also involved in cooperating with the sex traffickers in coercing children to allow themselves and their unborn children to be violated.</p>
<p>And sometimes, people need their illusions about something broken down before they&#8217;re able to fairly make a moral judgment about it. So it would seem that exposing the reality of what goes on would be useful in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Feeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 01:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Planned Parenthood is basically a coven of witches.  Vile, ugly witches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planned Parenthood is basically a coven of witches.  Vile, ugly witches.</p>
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		<title>By: steve hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 01:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moreover, I&#039;d expect PP employees to be trained to be completely nonjudgmental about those who seek their &quot;services.&quot; Therefore, I wouldn&#039;t expect this to be an isolated incident. Is PP really in the habit of screening which clients have good reasons rather than bad reasons for wanting an abortion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moreover, I&#8217;d expect PP employees to be trained to be completely nonjudgmental about those who seek their &#8220;services.&#8221; Therefore, I wouldn&#8217;t expect this to be an isolated incident. Is PP really in the habit of screening which clients have good reasons rather than bad reasons for wanting an abortion?</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/planned-parenthood-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-16833</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 23:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s C. Ehrlich&#039;s &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; agenda with his various comments over various posts?

Can C. Ehrlich or anyone give it a clear articulation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s C. Ehrlich&#8217;s <i>real</i> agenda with his various comments over various posts?</p>
<p>Can C. Ehrlich or anyone give it a clear articulation?</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ehrlich</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Ehrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Flashing&#039;s claim is that the video is &quot;proof-positive&quot; of a particular agenda on the part of Planned Parenthood.  I&#039;m still wondering what that agenda is supposed to be. Can anyone give it a clear articulation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Flashing&#8217;s claim is that the video is &#8220;proof-positive&#8221; of a particular agenda on the part of Planned Parenthood.  I&#8217;m still wondering what that agenda is supposed to be. Can anyone give it a clear articulation?</p>
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		<title>By: Orthodoxdj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orthodoxdj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We won&#039;t win the culture to the pro-life position by showing that PP has problems. If PP goes out of business, another abortion mill organization will take its place. Let&#039;s stick to our platform: the pre-born are human persons who should not be killed. There&#039;s no logical connection between the proposition &quot;Planned Parenthood is organizational corrupt&quot; and the proposition &quot;Abortion is immoral and ought to be illegal.&quot; Fallacies are fallacies even when committed for a good cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We won&#8217;t win the culture to the pro-life position by showing that PP has problems. If PP goes out of business, another abortion mill organization will take its place. Let&#8217;s stick to our platform: the pre-born are human persons who should not be killed. There&#8217;s no logical connection between the proposition &#8220;Planned Parenthood is organizational corrupt&#8221; and the proposition &#8220;Abortion is immoral and ought to be illegal.&#8221; Fallacies are fallacies even when committed for a good cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been several other similar situations where undercover people have shown that PP will bend or ignore rules, such as the need to report &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EatmoUdpoFs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;statutory rape&lt;/a&gt;, (see also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlmbcbqrK5Y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; in order to keep a &quot;customer.&quot; Not to mention accepting funds clearly given with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLjGQnTVg8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;racist intent&lt;/a&gt;.

Why &lt;i&gt;wouldn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; PP want as many abortions as possible? They have a vested interest, in that they get paid for it. Giving PP the benefit of the doubt about abortion is like giving the tobacco industry the benefit of the doubt about the health risks of smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been several other similar situations where undercover people have shown that PP will bend or ignore rules, such as the need to report <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EatmoUdpoFs" rel="nofollow">statutory rape</a>, (see also <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlmbcbqrK5Y" rel="nofollow">here</a> in order to keep a &#8220;customer.&#8221; Not to mention accepting funds clearly given with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLjGQnTVg8" rel="nofollow">racist intent</a>.</p>
<p>Why <i>wouldn&#8217;t</i> PP want as many abortions as possible? They have a vested interest, in that they get paid for it. Giving PP the benefit of the doubt about abortion is like giving the tobacco industry the benefit of the doubt about the health risks of smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the video is “proof positive” of Planned Parenthood’s agenda of aborting as many babies as possible?

Is that what people here think?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No. You&#039;re putting words in our mouths. No one said &quot;as many as possible.&quot; I said &quot;by the thousands.&quot; No one said that information came from the video. It&#039;s been out there for a long, long time already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the video is “proof positive” of Planned Parenthood’s agenda of aborting as many babies as possible?</p>
<p>Is that what people here think?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. You&#8217;re putting words in our mouths. No one said &#8220;as many as possible.&#8221; I said &#8220;by the thousands.&#8221; No one said that information came from the video. It&#8217;s been out there for a long, long time already.</p>
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		<title>By: steve hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The objection that this was an isolated event cuts both ways. It happened to be recorded. Imagine what is often said and done when cameras aren&#039;t rolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The objection that this was an isolated event cuts both ways. It happened to be recorded. Imagine what is often said and done when cameras aren&#8217;t rolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An abortion mill&#039;s agenda is abortion, murder for hire.</description>
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