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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-17151</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The question I think we should ask is how does the Bible inform principles of government in regards to providing for those that are truly powerless.&quot;

Good question.  That is definitely the one we need to try to answer.  The answer is probably not just find someone with power and compel them to help.  But to say that much is still not to answer.  Your question deserves a lot of contemplation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The question I think we should ask is how does the Bible inform principles of government in regards to providing for those that are truly powerless.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good question.  That is definitely the one we need to try to answer.  The answer is probably not just find someone with power and compel them to help.  But to say that much is still not to answer.  Your question deserves a lot of contemplation.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Stanfield</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-17142</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Stanfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment about fiscal conservatives, and the post I cited, are in reference to the attack on state employees that is occurring around the country in the name of balancing budgets through spending cuts alone. Yes fiscal conservatives can and do give through personal giving, but what I am arguing is that it is not enough when the surrogate caregivers (public child welfare workers) are assigned unmanageable caseloads.  

During a recession, calls to suicide crisis lines go through the roof, but the budgets for mental health services are some of the first ones on the chopping block. The question I think we should ask is how does the Bible inform principles of government in regards to providing for those that are truly powerless. 

No doubt, if we as Christians were obedient in giving of our time and money, the issue of government funding would be less of an issue.  But as is, we are not doing our part. I think that if we are serious about faith in public life, we have to examine what it means to be &quot;pro-life.&quot; It means not only pushing for laws outlawing abortion, but also being willing to adopt children, and adequately funding the agencies that employee civil servants who look after the widows and orphans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment about fiscal conservatives, and the post I cited, are in reference to the attack on state employees that is occurring around the country in the name of balancing budgets through spending cuts alone. Yes fiscal conservatives can and do give through personal giving, but what I am arguing is that it is not enough when the surrogate caregivers (public child welfare workers) are assigned unmanageable caseloads.  </p>
<p>During a recession, calls to suicide crisis lines go through the roof, but the budgets for mental health services are some of the first ones on the chopping block. The question I think we should ask is how does the Bible inform principles of government in regards to providing for those that are truly powerless. </p>
<p>No doubt, if we as Christians were obedient in giving of our time and money, the issue of government funding would be less of an issue.  But as is, we are not doing our part. I think that if we are serious about faith in public life, we have to examine what it means to be &#8220;pro-life.&#8221; It means not only pushing for laws outlawing abortion, but also being willing to adopt children, and adequately funding the agencies that employee civil servants who look after the widows and orphans.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-17139</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, I agree with your overall sentiment, but don&#039;t see how fiscal conservatism plays into it.  A fiscal conservative could display great holiness and submission to God&#039;s will in his giving.  It need not be through the device of taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, I agree with your overall sentiment, but don&#8217;t see how fiscal conservatism plays into it.  A fiscal conservative could display great holiness and submission to God&#8217;s will in his giving.  It need not be through the device of taxation.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Stanfield</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-17083</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Stanfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunter,

We social workers just want you fiscal conservatives to know that we are the &quot;someone else&quot; that gets sent when others don&#039;t go. We are the innkeepers in the Good Samaritan parable: http://relateinfaith.com/archives/245

You are right &quot;we may end up giving more than we really want to give.&quot; For some of us this is money. For others it is time, or the safety of our own social circles and neighborhoods, or anything that &quot;exalts itself against the knowledge of God.&quot; I like the way Derek Webb puts it in his song &quot;The Rich Young Ruler&quot; when he has God saying, &quot;I want the things you just can&#039;t give me.&quot; 

Tozer&#039;s second chapter in &quot;The Pursuit of God&quot; is entitled &quot;The Blessedness of Possessing Nothing&quot; and has challenged me in so many ways. I reluctantly reread that chapter often knowing that each time it may require of me something new. Our Lord asks us to do things that seems scary to us. Just look what he asked of Abraham re Isaac. As Mr. Beaver says in Narnia, &quot;...he isn&#039;t safe. but he&#039;s good.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter,</p>
<p>We social workers just want you fiscal conservatives to know that we are the &#8220;someone else&#8221; that gets sent when others don&#8217;t go. We are the innkeepers in the Good Samaritan parable: <a href="http://relateinfaith.com/archives/245" rel="nofollow">http://relateinfaith.com/archives/245</a></p>
<p>You are right &#8220;we may end up giving more than we really want to give.&#8221; For some of us this is money. For others it is time, or the safety of our own social circles and neighborhoods, or anything that &#8220;exalts itself against the knowledge of God.&#8221; I like the way Derek Webb puts it in his song &#8220;The Rich Young Ruler&#8221; when he has God saying, &#8220;I want the things you just can&#8217;t give me.&#8221; </p>
<p>Tozer&#8217;s second chapter in &#8220;The Pursuit of God&#8221; is entitled &#8220;The Blessedness of Possessing Nothing&#8221; and has challenged me in so many ways. I reluctantly reread that chapter often knowing that each time it may require of me something new. Our Lord asks us to do things that seems scary to us. Just look what he asked of Abraham re Isaac. As Mr. Beaver says in Narnia, &#8220;&#8230;he isn&#8217;t safe. but he&#8217;s good.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Loving a Bore &#187; Evangel &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-17080</link>
		<dc:creator>Loving a Bore &#187; Evangel &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week&#8217;s post from Hunter Baker reminded me of two other, similar, writings. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week&#8217;s post from Hunter Baker reminded me of two other, similar, writings. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Lythgoe</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16986</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret Lythgoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to thank Hunter Baker, for the humanity of his post. I cannot help but think: instead of arguing the theological nuances, of who&#039;s &quot;saved&#039;&#039;, and who isn&#039;t (a rather unseemly, and arrogant exercise, since no one can see in the heart of another) why not do what Jesus taught: care for those in need of caring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank Hunter Baker, for the humanity of his post. I cannot help but think: instead of arguing the theological nuances, of who&#8217;s &#8220;saved&#8221;, and who isn&#8217;t (a rather unseemly, and arrogant exercise, since no one can see in the heart of another) why not do what Jesus taught: care for those in need of caring.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Drake</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16982</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared O. said, #13 above,
&#039;Even if it isn’t different, and he’s guilty of the same negligence we often are, it doesn’t mean that his message is invalidated.&#039;

To which TUAD responded, #14 above,
&#039;I’m not even saying that.
I just want to know if whether declining to share the Gospel to someone you think/judge knows the Gospel and has rejected it is a special case which merits an exemption to the “Here am I. Send someone else.”&#039;

TUAD brings up a good question worthy of further discussion. Has it been answered yet? 

Is this the hypocrisy that I speak about in #32 above? Not at all. TUAD rightly points out a dilemma that we all face, and is seeking clarification. Mr. Baker, what say you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared O. said, #13 above,<br />
&#8216;Even if it isn’t different, and he’s guilty of the same negligence we often are, it doesn’t mean that his message is invalidated.&#8217;</p>
<p>To which TUAD responded, #14 above,<br />
&#8216;I’m not even saying that.<br />
I just want to know if whether declining to share the Gospel to someone you think/judge knows the Gospel and has rejected it is a special case which merits an exemption to the “Here am I. Send someone else.”&#8217;</p>
<p>TUAD brings up a good question worthy of further discussion. Has it been answered yet? </p>
<p>Is this the hypocrisy that I speak about in #32 above? Not at all. TUAD rightly points out a dilemma that we all face, and is seeking clarification. Mr. Baker, what say you?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Drake</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16979</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, as Christians, cannot avoid the charge of hypocrisy in many of the things we do. It&#039;s the nature of sin, still resident in our bodies, until the perishable will put on the imperishable, and the mortal will put on the immortal (1 Cor. 15:54). 

The &quot;Here I am, Send Someone Else&#039; is indeed a poignant example of the hypocrisy that beseeches us all, the author of the post, I&#039;m sure he would agree, not excluded.

When hypocrisy raises it&#039;s ugly head, we, as Christians, should be duly ashamed and chastised for our sin, and repent, from whatever corner it may arise. Some here, have pointed out that hypocrisy. If it was through a lack of grace that this was communicated, the message  is no less diminished. Was Luther&#039;s posting of his 95 theses on the Wittenburg door considered a lack of grace? By some, I&#039;m sure it was, but we as Evangelicals need a reminder from time to time, that our sanctimonious &#039;lives&#039; are weighed in the balance and found wanting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, as Christians, cannot avoid the charge of hypocrisy in many of the things we do. It&#8217;s the nature of sin, still resident in our bodies, until the perishable will put on the imperishable, and the mortal will put on the immortal (1 Cor. 15:54). </p>
<p>The &#8220;Here I am, Send Someone Else&#8217; is indeed a poignant example of the hypocrisy that beseeches us all, the author of the post, I&#8217;m sure he would agree, not excluded.</p>
<p>When hypocrisy raises it&#8217;s ugly head, we, as Christians, should be duly ashamed and chastised for our sin, and repent, from whatever corner it may arise. Some here, have pointed out that hypocrisy. If it was through a lack of grace that this was communicated, the message  is no less diminished. Was Luther&#8217;s posting of his 95 theses on the Wittenburg door considered a lack of grace? By some, I&#8217;m sure it was, but we as Evangelicals need a reminder from time to time, that our sanctimonious &#8216;lives&#8217; are weighed in the balance and found wanting.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16976</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, comments here at Evangel have sometimes been overly contentious.  I apologize for any negative impression it may have given you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, comments here at Evangel have sometimes been overly contentious.  I apologize for any negative impression it may have given you.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16975</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared O, #30:

There&#039;s no history here (between Hunter Baker and myself) that I&#039;m aware of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared O, #30:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no history here (between Hunter Baker and myself) that I&#8217;m aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared O</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16973</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Baker thanks for elaborating on the question TUAD brought up. Obviously, there is a history here that I&#039;m unaware of or something else going on. Would it be wrong for someone to fill me in? 

I just discovered this blog and I&#039;m really confused by the other conversation that happened in these comments... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Baker thanks for elaborating on the question TUAD brought up. Obviously, there is a history here that I&#8217;m unaware of or something else going on. Would it be wrong for someone to fill me in? </p>
<p>I just discovered this blog and I&#8217;m really confused by the other conversation that happened in these comments&#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16969</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the actions we take in our lives as Christians (all of our attempts to serve God) flow from his work of the Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the actions we take in our lives as Christians (all of our attempts to serve God) flow from his work of the Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: MRS</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16967</link>
		<dc:creator>MRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Baker has hit upon the Law/Gospel distinction, and while I agree that there is much work to be done for God&#039;s Kingdom, it has to be Gospel-centered, and not centered upon any effort on our part to fulfill the law or &quot;do our part&quot; or work in such a way as to &quot;make God happy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Baker has hit upon the Law/Gospel distinction, and while I agree that there is much work to be done for God&#8217;s Kingdom, it has to be Gospel-centered, and not centered upon any effort on our part to fulfill the law or &#8220;do our part&#8221; or work in such a way as to &#8220;make God happy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16966</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seemed like a good question to ask.  Thanks for the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seemed like a good question to ask.  Thanks for the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2011/02/here-am-i-send-someone-else/#comment-16964</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Hunter Baker&lt;/b&gt;:  &quot;&lt;i&gt;Steve, there’s a method to my madness in this case.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Given this admission, I still have hopes for what you&#039;ve written recently:  &quot;We expect that people will be honest about who they are and their motives.&quot;

And since you wrote this:  &quot;Individuals will expose themselves, often with a radical lack of grace&quot; I hope that when you expose the method to your madness that you don&#039;t do it with a &quot;radical lack of grace&quot; as you put it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Hunter Baker</b>:  &#8220;<i>Steve, there’s a method to my madness in this case.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Given this admission, I still have hopes for what you&#8217;ve written recently:  &#8220;We expect that people will be honest about who they are and their motives.&#8221;</p>
<p>And since you wrote this:  &#8220;Individuals will expose themselves, often with a radical lack of grace&#8221; I hope that when you expose the method to your madness that you don&#8217;t do it with a &#8220;radical lack of grace&#8221; as you put it.</p>
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