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    Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 6:11 PM

    When I go and stick my neck out on evolution and liberal blogs not only are the attacks fierce, but so also are the irrational remarks and even censorship that pervade conversation that might otherwise be pleasant. These folks seem generally decent but often have a difficult time carrying on a dialogue with someone who holds another world view. I won’t name names here. That wouldn’t be polite. All I wish to do is delve into the argumentation methods used to denounce others. I hope that this evaluation approach will help you as you engage the world for Christ by helping you understand something about the mind and motivations of those you encounter.

    When it comes to the question of evolution (big E or little e), without addressing the merits of the issue, the question of argumentation always comes into play. For instance, those of us who are overtly presuppositional make certain claims about the universe. But things are not so tidy in the world of scientists and especially not so in the world of the amateur philosopher. As an example, Jerry Coyne made a core presuppositional remark regarding his understanding of evolution:

    If speciation is true, for instance, then common ancestry must also be true. (Why Evolution is True, p. 14)

    This is not an evidential statement. Dr. Coyne has built a stair-step of apparent deductive necessity. In his view, if the former is ever the case then the latter, which is much broader in scope, must also be the case. If at any time any species can develop (by whatever model) then all species must have developed in this or similar fashion.

    In order for this to be a must the argument requires a rejection of any alternative. If speciation is ever true then creation (special or general) is never true. I won’t argue against this in terms of a b&w fallacy. It isn’t. It is a simple statement regarding correctness and incorrectness as he sees it.

    The argument does not include evidence. Speciation here is not, as I read it, an argument from evidence, though he does argue for speciation from evidence at other times. As stated, speciation is set up as a sort of equivalent to common ancestry. That is the core question that is argued: What is our ancestry? Though stated specifically, Dr. Coyne’s argument is a presuppositional argument for a metaphysical naturalism. Common ancestry sits as a euphemism for that purpose. Common ancestry is his analogy for naturalism. I suspect he might agree.

    Dr. Coyne does argue from evidence to prove speciation. He takes a core Darwinian position. In this sense he is also an evidentialist. That’s ok. That’s what evidence is for – proving assumptions. But evidence is never a proof of presuppositions. Presuppositions come with no contingencies or dependencies. They stand alone. And that is the weakness of the must-ness of his position. He can prove speciation (to which I do not object in principle, though I would contend that there are models better than Darwin’s model) but he cannot prove naturalism.

    This is the challenge that we face in defending the faith against illogic. It is not simply Christians who hold to presuppositions. The principle is not one that we own. What we do well to do in these cases is to show that there is more to life and a defense of anything than the preponderance of evidence. To do this makes us better thinkers and better representatives of intelligence.

    7 Comments

      R Hampton
      August 4th, 2010 | 7:45 pm | #1

      The Dog evolved from the Wolf, which evolved from the Fox. But Foxes and Wolves are separate species because and chromosomal differences prevent the two from reproducing. So what are we to make of this? It appears that what we are looking at is a text-book example of evolution, common ancestry, and common descent. But if Foxes and Wolves are actually different “kinds” of animals, then each would have (need) a unique creation event. And if so, how could we determine if the Dog and Wolf were each separately and uniquely created?

      Craig Payne
      August 4th, 2010 | 8:05 pm | #2

      Dear Collin Brendemuehl: You quote Dr. Coyne as writing, “If speciation is true, for instance, then common ancestry must also be true.”

      It then seems that this statement leads immediately to your follow-up: “If speciation is ever true then creation (special or general) is never true.”

      But how does this follow? It seems to entail the following: “If common ancestry is true, then creation is never true.” Is that what you are saying? If so, why? It’s like saying, “If my car runs by a completely mechanical process, then my choice of destinations has nothing to do with where my car ends up.”

      Truth Unites... and Divides
      August 5th, 2010 | 2:02 am | #3

      Collin Brendermuehl: “This is the challenge that we face in defending the faith against illogic.”

      (Playing to stereotype) Ever seen a logical husband argue/debate/reason with an illogical wife?

      It’s funny when it’s not you.

      Collin Brendemuehl
      August 5th, 2010 | 6:12 am | #4

      Craig,
      It works that way because common descent is his analogy for metaphysical naturalism. The term on its own (“common” means all species, without exception) rules out creation.

      R Hampton,
      Dogs are still wolves. They may all still breed. They remain one species.
      The camelids might make a better analogy for your purposes, but even that one has its lacks.
      Still, you argue from silence. Lack of an answer is not a lack of evidence.

      Tom Gilson
      August 5th, 2010 | 10:50 am | #5

      R Hampton, thank you for illustrating another common feature of evolutionists’ approach to argumentation. I’ve found that when I say evolutionary theory, methods, or arguments have weakness w, invariably someone will respond, “But evolution is true for reason r.” It’s beastly difficult just getting people to stay on the subject w.

      Witness your own response here. Collin’s post was about some evolutionists’ approach to logic and argumentation, not about common descent.

      Collin Brendemuehl
      August 5th, 2010 | 11:17 am | #6

      Tom,
      Correct. It was not about the merits of the argument, but the method and structure of the argument.

      Craig Payne
      August 5th, 2010 | 2:16 pm | #7

      Dear Collin: You wrote, “It works that way because common descent is his analogy for metaphysical naturalism.”

      If this is the case, then I see your point. Metaphysical naturalism is not a scientific position.

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