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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/07/disgusta-state-university-to-professor-change-your-beliefs-or-get-out/#comment-12246</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tom Gilson&lt;/b&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Another word for irony in a context like this is hypocrisy. What a stench.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yep, there certainly is the stench of hypocrisy.

&lt;b&gt;Collin Brendemuehl&lt;/b&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Ya, I get a laugh out of leftists and their lackies.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Too bad there are lackies for the secular leftists in Christian churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tom Gilson</b>:  <i>&#8220;Another word for irony in a context like this is hypocrisy. What a stench.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yep, there certainly is the stench of hypocrisy.</p>
<p><b>Collin Brendemuehl</b>:  <i>&#8220;Ya, I get a laugh out of leftists and their lackies.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Too bad there are lackies for the secular leftists in Christian churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Brendemuehl</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/07/disgusta-state-university-to-professor-change-your-beliefs-or-get-out/#comment-12243</link>
		<dc:creator>Collin Brendemuehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, I get a laugh out of leftists and their lackies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, I get a laugh out of leftists and their lackies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you notice, Collin, that the &quot;enda&quot; in &quot;endablog&quot; stands for &quot;Employment Non-Discrimination Act&quot;? It reeks of many things, one of which is amazingly un-self-aware, oblivious irony.

The post to which you have linked says the school&#039;s position is supported by, among other things, &quot;reality-based law.&quot; Which reality? Is there some reality in which homosexuality has been proven morally good? On what basis? The usual reason for approving it is that we ought to be tolerant. There&#039;s some really putrid irony there: did tolerance extend to Jennifer Keeton? 

And what law is it that supports the school? I can&#039;t think of any. Am I missing something obvious here? It seems to me there&#039;s a law supporting religious freedom. I know, I know, maybe that&#039;s easy to miss, too. I mean, it&#039;s placed rather obscurely in the Bill of Rights of both the U.S. and Georgia Constitutions.

Well, maybe the real reason Jennifer Keeton ought not to be allowed to continue in her counseling program is because she hasn&#039;t been appropriately respectful of others. Maybe she would do better following the high standards of that blog author, who employed such tolerant language as, 
&lt;blockquote&gt;christianism-primacy insanity that infects the minds of christianists, and christianists believe that they can lie to prevail in their efforts to get memorialized ravings left behind by sufferers of their delusions to supersede reality-based law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Another word for irony in a context like this is hypocrisy. What a stench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you notice, Collin, that the &#8220;enda&#8221; in &#8220;endablog&#8221; stands for &#8220;Employment Non-Discrimination Act&#8221;? It reeks of many things, one of which is amazingly un-self-aware, oblivious irony.</p>
<p>The post to which you have linked says the school&#8217;s position is supported by, among other things, &#8220;reality-based law.&#8221; Which reality? Is there some reality in which homosexuality has been proven morally good? On what basis? The usual reason for approving it is that we ought to be tolerant. There&#8217;s some really putrid irony there: did tolerance extend to Jennifer Keeton? </p>
<p>And what law is it that supports the school? I can&#8217;t think of any. Am I missing something obvious here? It seems to me there&#8217;s a law supporting religious freedom. I know, I know, maybe that&#8217;s easy to miss, too. I mean, it&#8217;s placed rather obscurely in the Bill of Rights of both the U.S. and Georgia Constitutions.</p>
<p>Well, maybe the real reason Jennifer Keeton ought not to be allowed to continue in her counseling program is because she hasn&#8217;t been appropriately respectful of others. Maybe she would do better following the high standards of that blog author, who employed such tolerant language as, </p>
<blockquote><p>christianism-primacy insanity that infects the minds of christianists, and christianists believe that they can lie to prevail in their efforts to get memorialized ravings left behind by sufferers of their delusions to supersede reality-based law.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another word for irony in a context like this is hypocrisy. What a stench.</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Brendemuehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin Brendemuehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another good one:
http://endablog.wordpress.com/2010/07/24/sorry-christianists-but-where-your-mythological-delusions-collide-with-reality-reality-prevails/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another good one:<br />
<a href="http://endablog.wordpress.com/2010/07/24/sorry-christianists-but-where-your-mythological-delusions-collide-with-reality-reality-prevails/" rel="nofollow">http://endablog.wordpress.com/2010/07/24/sorry-christianists-but-where-your-mythological-delusions-collide-with-reality-reality-prevails/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blue Collar Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Collar Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Collin on this. The gay rights activists want nothing less than complete acceptance, not tolerance. This means the State will promote and normalize homosexuality and anyone who dares to question this, particularly Christians, will start to suffer consequences for doing so. The Obama Administration is advancing the gay rights agenda on every conceivable front. 

This also raises a larger issue of those Christians who are helping to advance this agenda by support those, politically, who are making this agenda realized. For in supporting those, namely, Liberal/Progressive politicians, a context is being set up to justify the persecution of Christians. This is likely going to be a major issue in our churches in the future as I see widespread unwillingness to confront this.

http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2010/07/christian-counseling-student-must-be-re.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Collin on this. The gay rights activists want nothing less than complete acceptance, not tolerance. This means the State will promote and normalize homosexuality and anyone who dares to question this, particularly Christians, will start to suffer consequences for doing so. The Obama Administration is advancing the gay rights agenda on every conceivable front. </p>
<p>This also raises a larger issue of those Christians who are helping to advance this agenda by support those, politically, who are making this agenda realized. For in supporting those, namely, Liberal/Progressive politicians, a context is being set up to justify the persecution of Christians. This is likely going to be a major issue in our churches in the future as I see widespread unwillingness to confront this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2010/07/christian-counseling-student-must-be-re.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2010/07/christian-counseling-student-must-be-re.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Collin Brendemuehl&lt;/b&gt; in his post:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;The ultimate blackmail. Thanks, liberals. It seems Obama &amp; Friends really are transforming the fabric of the nation&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Tom Gilson&lt;/b&gt;:  &quot;I think your post nailed it for its outrageousness, Collin.&quot;

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&lt;b&gt;Collin&lt;/b&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;That was quite elegant, but why be so polite?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Collin, wasn&#039;t Jesus always polite to the Pharisees and their man-made rules?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Collin Brendemuehl</b> in his post:  <i>&#8220;The ultimate blackmail. Thanks, liberals. It seems Obama &amp; Friends really are transforming the fabric of the nation&#8221;</i></p>
<p><b>Tom Gilson</b>:  &#8220;I think your post nailed it for its outrageousness, Collin.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><b>Collin</b>:  <i>&#8220;That was quite elegant, but why be so polite?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Collin, wasn&#8217;t Jesus always polite to the Pharisees and their man-made rules?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collin, I see your &lt;a href=&quot;http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com/2010/07/by-any-other-name-reeducation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; links to another source on the Jennifer Keeton case. It&#039;s from a homosexual advocacy source, &lt;a href=&quot;http://outqnews.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/antigay-ga-counseling-student-sues-university/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OutQNews&lt;/a&gt;. (It&#039;s associated with Sirius XM radio, which makes me very uninterested in ever subscribing to that service.)

This article ends with a statement from the university. Surprisingly, I agree with it to a great extent, though not at all the way they intended it.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
  A spokesperson for the American School Counselor Association sent OutQ the organization’s guidelines for dealing with LGBT youth – which state that counselors must recognize “that sexual orientation is not an illness and does not require treatment. The school did not return a call for comment.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with sexual orientation. I agree. Sexuality is a good thing, and everyone with any sexuality has their own inclinations. (&quot;Sexual orientation&quot; seems to be a relatively new construct and in some ways problematical. I&#039;ll finesse that issue by regarding it as synonymous with inclinations.)

I don&#039;t consider homosexuality (or the rest of the GLBTQ pentacle) an illness. For one thing, I do not fully subscribe to what the mental health profession calls the &quot;medical model&quot; for behavorial issues. More importantly, homosexuality is one form of temptation to sin. Heterosexual desires are sometimes a temptation to sin, but in the context of marriage they are a draw toward loving oneness and procreation. Homosexuality, in contrast, is never a draw toward anything but extra-marital sex, which is always sin.

Homosexuality needs a spiritual solution first of all: rescue from the penalty of sin. (That&#039;s not so if the person has never given in to the temptation, but how often is &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; the case?) That&#039;s not a &quot;treatment.&quot; It&#039;s the gift of God through Jesus&#039; death on the cross.

The person so tempted then needs deliverance from the power of the temptation. Whether that means changing their orientation or learning to trust God with living a chaste life, that deliverance is also primarily a spiritual matter. The Bible tells us to turn to one another for deep support when we are dealing with deep matters. Some people might find that support through a professional counselor. If they want to call that &quot;treatment&quot; I wouldn&#039;t quibble over the word with them, but it&#039;s really spiritual/relational support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collin, I see your <a href="http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com/2010/07/by-any-other-name-reeducation.html" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> links to another source on the Jennifer Keeton case. It&#8217;s from a homosexual advocacy source, <a href="http://outqnews.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/antigay-ga-counseling-student-sues-university/" rel="nofollow">OutQNews</a>. (It&#8217;s associated with Sirius XM radio, which makes me very uninterested in ever subscribing to that service.)</p>
<p>This article ends with a statement from the university. Surprisingly, I agree with it to a great extent, though not at all the way they intended it.</p>
<blockquote><p>
  A spokesperson for the American School Counselor Association sent OutQ the organization’s guidelines for dealing with LGBT youth – which state that counselors must recognize “that sexual orientation is not an illness and does not require treatment. The school did not return a call for comment.
</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with sexual orientation. I agree. Sexuality is a good thing, and everyone with any sexuality has their own inclinations. (&#8220;Sexual orientation&#8221; seems to be a relatively new construct and in some ways problematical. I&#8217;ll finesse that issue by regarding it as synonymous with inclinations.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider homosexuality (or the rest of the GLBTQ pentacle) an illness. For one thing, I do not fully subscribe to what the mental health profession calls the &#8220;medical model&#8221; for behavorial issues. More importantly, homosexuality is one form of temptation to sin. Heterosexual desires are sometimes a temptation to sin, but in the context of marriage they are a draw toward loving oneness and procreation. Homosexuality, in contrast, is never a draw toward anything but extra-marital sex, which is always sin.</p>
<p>Homosexuality needs a spiritual solution first of all: rescue from the penalty of sin. (That&#8217;s not so if the person has never given in to the temptation, but how often is <em>that</em> the case?) That&#8217;s not a &#8220;treatment.&#8221; It&#8217;s the gift of God through Jesus&#8217; death on the cross.</p>
<p>The person so tempted then needs deliverance from the power of the temptation. Whether that means changing their orientation or learning to trust God with living a chaste life, that deliverance is also primarily a spiritual matter. The Bible tells us to turn to one another for deep support when we are dealing with deep matters. Some people might find that support through a professional counselor. If they want to call that &#8220;treatment&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t quibble over the word with them, but it&#8217;s really spiritual/relational support.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your post nailed it for its outrageousness, Collin. I was hoping mine would show how illogical—thus, hypocritical—it is to expel Christian beliefs in the name of diversity. (Jennifer Keeton was threatened with expulsion. Her beliefs were not threatened; they have already been summarily expelled.)

If I conveyed the impression this doesn&#039;t anger me, then I should have written it differently. What they&#039;ve done, if these reports are accurate, is wrong and it&#039;s completely reprehensible. Whoever the &quot;Julia Charrington&quot; there might be, that professor ought to be fired. I hope she can find NULL help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your post nailed it for its outrageousness, Collin. I was hoping mine would show how illogical—thus, hypocritical—it is to expel Christian beliefs in the name of diversity. (Jennifer Keeton was threatened with expulsion. Her beliefs were not threatened; they have already been summarily expelled.)</p>
<p>If I conveyed the impression this doesn&#8217;t anger me, then I should have written it differently. What they&#8217;ve done, if these reports are accurate, is wrong and it&#8217;s completely reprehensible. Whoever the &#8220;Julia Charrington&#8221; there might be, that professor ought to be fired. I hope she can find NULL help.</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Brendemuehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin Brendemuehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was quite elegant, but why be so polite?
http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com/2010/07/by-any-other-name-reeducation.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was quite elegant, but why be so polite?<br />
<a href="http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com/2010/07/by-any-other-name-reeducation.html" rel="nofollow">http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com/2010/07/by-any-other-name-reeducation.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a terrific first sentence.

It just sets up the mood for Developing an Ethical Orientation Through the Narrative Imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a terrific first sentence.</p>
<p>It just sets up the mood for Developing an Ethical Orientation Through the Narrative Imagination.</p>
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