Comments on: Can Women Save the Church?

By: Gary Simmons

Gary Simmons — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:10:13 +0000

Well gosh, Mike. I’m glad we can always say that anything he ever did that coincided with the culture was done simply because of the culture. It’s good to know there was nothing scandalous about his message or anything.

“No, I’m not going to conquer the Romans for you. I’m not going to kill and enslave the Gentiles. I came to set the captives free — but women will have to wait to be freed from their ‘captivity’ for another 1950 years.”

Social mores also precluded rabbis speaking to prostitutes or tax collectors. Disrupting the temple’s commerce during a festival also doesn’t coincide with social mores. Telling a Jewish audience that a foreigner — a centurion no less — has more faith than any of them or any Zionist martyr really was not politically correct.

Seriously, I don’t see the merit of the argument. If Jesus had chosen a female apostle and God had worked wonders through her which showed her God-given authority through Jesus, then what could men do? If Jesus had chosen to do so, how can you say it would fail? He specifically chose males to be apostles.

Complementarians argue that Jesus did not choose female apostles. Egalitarians make the blasphemous argument that Jesus could not… I have serious problems with attempts to box Jesus in and make such excuses. Generally, I dislike any statement beginning with “Jesus could not.” He’s GOD. He can do what he wants.

By: mike gunderson

mike gunderson — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 02:45:54 +0000

Jesus picked 12 Jewish men because of the social mores of the time precluded having any female apostles. By the way do you suppose men have a greater interest in salvation than women? If not, then why do we assume males have some superior edge in defining how to approach God via
the disciplines of the Church?

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By: MarkvanH

MarkvanH — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:23:38 +0000

“They consider these universal proscriptions, in contrast to Paul’s injunctions for women to refrain from wearing gold and to keep their heads covered when praying. These latter pronouncements are somehow contextually bound and culturally contingent.”

Yeah, may be that’s got something to do with the creation where Paul explicitly refers to and the whole line in the bible when it comes to male-female relations. Opposed to injunctions about wearing gold and such.

By: Chris Thompson

Chris Thompson — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 03:14:40 +0000

“…maternal stereotypes of women as more nurturing and protective of children than are men.”

Yes, now it’s just a stereotype. But will we remember this when we talk about gay men adopting children?

By: david carlson

david carlson — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:57:18 +0000

They consider these universal proscriptions, in contrast to Paul’s injunctions for women to refrain from wearing gold and to keep their heads covered when praying. These latter pronouncements are somehow contextually bound and culturally contingent.

heh