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		<title>By: David T. Koyzis</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-6048</link>
		<dc:creator>David T. Koyzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself am not an exclusive psalm-singer, so I am not the one to shed light on this for you. However, it is true that, over the centuries, there has been a tendency for postbiblical hymns to squeeze out the psalms nearly altogether. That was the point of my post here.

As for changing the texts to fit the music, sometimes the texts are changed to fit one&#039;s own subcultural norms. I am aware, for example, of one group that sings metrical psalms almost entirely but managed to leave out any reference to dancing in its versification of Psalm 150!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself am not an exclusive psalm-singer, so I am not the one to shed light on this for you. However, it is true that, over the centuries, there has been a tendency for postbiblical hymns to squeeze out the psalms nearly altogether. That was the point of my post here.</p>
<p>As for changing the texts to fit the music, sometimes the texts are changed to fit one&#8217;s own subcultural norms. I am aware, for example, of one group that sings metrical psalms almost entirely but managed to leave out any reference to dancing in its versification of Psalm 150!</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Paul T. McCain</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-6026</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Paul T. McCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Dr. Veith was not, in any way, suggesting that metrical settings are somehow &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot; but he was very rightly musing over the fact that Calvinism seems to have a penchant for metrical settings of the Psalms, in which, effectively, the original text is changed for the sake of music and singing. And, ironically, it would appear that while that is kosher, in some Calvinist circles there is a history of eschewing hymns. 

I&#039;m left scratching my head over this one as well, and would appreciate any light Calvinists here might be able to shed on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Dr. Veith was not, in any way, suggesting that metrical settings are somehow &#8220;bad&#8221; or &#8220;wrong&#8221; but he was very rightly musing over the fact that Calvinism seems to have a penchant for metrical settings of the Psalms, in which, effectively, the original text is changed for the sake of music and singing. And, ironically, it would appear that while that is kosher, in some Calvinist circles there is a history of eschewing hymns. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m left scratching my head over this one as well, and would appreciate any light Calvinists here might be able to shed on this.</p>
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		<title>By: David T. Koyzis</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-6025</link>
		<dc:creator>David T. Koyzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add here that the distinction between psalms and hymns does not necessarily run along the nonmetrical/metrical divide. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Deum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Te Deum&lt;/a&gt; is definitely a postbiblical hymn, yet in its original form it is nonmetrical. I might remind Prof. Veith that Luther himself wrote a metrical Te Deum, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://stand-firm.blogspot.com/2009/10/luthers-te-deum.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Herr Gott, Dich Loben Wir&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, which is no more a hymn than the original Latin version for being set in metre.

Similarly, the rendering of a psalm in metrical form makes it no less a psalm than if it were chanted directly in the original Hebrew or in nonmetrical translation. On the other hand, &lt;em&gt;Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven&lt;/em&gt; is probably better understood as a hymn inspired by Psalm 103 than a metred version of the latter. But I would see the difference between the two as more of a continuum than an ironclad separation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add here that the distinction between psalms and hymns does not necessarily run along the nonmetrical/metrical divide. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Deum" rel="nofollow">Te Deum</a> is definitely a postbiblical hymn, yet in its original form it is nonmetrical. I might remind Prof. Veith that Luther himself wrote a metrical Te Deum, <em><a href="http://stand-firm.blogspot.com/2009/10/luthers-te-deum.html" rel="nofollow">Herr Gott, Dich Loben Wir</a></em>, which is no more a hymn than the original Latin version for being set in metre.</p>
<p>Similarly, the rendering of a psalm in metrical form makes it no less a psalm than if it were chanted directly in the original Hebrew or in nonmetrical translation. On the other hand, <em>Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven</em> is probably better understood as a hymn inspired by Psalm 103 than a metred version of the latter. But I would see the difference between the two as more of a continuum than an ironclad separation.</p>
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		<title>By: Coyle</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-5942</link>
		<dc:creator>Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Veith,

One might argue that we of the slightly more Reformed persuasion exercise Believer&#039;s Freedom rather than the regulative principle in turning Psalms into hymns ;)
Actually, that&#039;s something that&#039;s always kind of amused me- the super-Reformed types insist on using only Psalms in worship, but then, as you point out, put them in meter and have to paraphrase so much that they essentially end up being hymns.</description>
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<p>One might argue that we of the slightly more Reformed persuasion exercise Believer&#8217;s Freedom rather than the regulative principle in turning Psalms into hymns ;)<br />
Actually, that&#8217;s something that&#8217;s always kind of amused me- the super-Reformed types insist on using only Psalms in worship, but then, as you point out, put them in meter and have to paraphrase so much that they essentially end up being hymns.</p>
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		<title>By: David T. Koyzis</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-5917</link>
		<dc:creator>David T. Koyzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene, I agree with you: I wish Reformed Christians did indeed chant the psalms. In your churches does the entire congregation do this? or is it sung antiphonally with a cantor and congregation? I think the reason why the Reformed went for metrical psalmody is that it was deemed better suited to congregational singing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, I agree with you: I wish Reformed Christians did indeed chant the psalms. In your churches does the entire congregation do this? or is it sung antiphonally with a cantor and congregation? I think the reason why the Reformed went for metrical psalmody is that it was deemed better suited to congregational singing.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Veith</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-5903</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Veith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We confessional Lutherans chant the Psalms regularly in our liturgy.  I don&#039;t understand why the Reformed use metrical versions, which amount to a paraphrase not unlike a regular English hymn.  Chanting them--singing several syllables on a single note with a fluid melodic line-- is a way to sing the Psalms straight out of the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We confessional Lutherans chant the Psalms regularly in our liturgy.  I don&#8217;t understand why the Reformed use metrical versions, which amount to a paraphrase not unlike a regular English hymn.  Chanting them&#8211;singing several syllables on a single note with a fluid melodic line&#8211; is a way to sing the Psalms straight out of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Simmons</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-5873</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Psalms are &lt;i&gt;soooo&lt;/i&gt; wonderful! In case anyone is interested, there is an excellent band that specifically records the psalms in English. The band, quite appropriately, is called &quot;The Sons of Korah.&quot; Several of their songs are on youtube.

Reading the Psalms makes me feel like a part of the living tradition of the God-human relationship (mostly from the human perspective).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Psalms are <i>soooo</i> wonderful! In case anyone is interested, there is an excellent band that specifically records the psalms in English. The band, quite appropriately, is called &#8220;The Sons of Korah.&#8221; Several of their songs are on youtube.</p>
<p>Reading the Psalms makes me feel like a part of the living tradition of the God-human relationship (mostly from the human perspective).</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Ordway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Ordway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Psalms are wonderful! 

In our church we have a psalm between the OT and NT lessons, sometimes said responsively and sometimes sung. During Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer (which we have as a separate short service every day, whether it&#039;s right before a mass or not) we have a psalm, said responsively. (That is, the reader reads a verse, the congregation reads the next verse, and so back and forth.) 

The only quibble I have is that on Sundays we often get only a portion of a psalm, rather than the whole thing. I suspect our rector would like to have complete psalms but perhaps doesn&#039;t want to push people&#039;s patience. One thing I that I think is great is that he does insist that we read the whole psalm. The lectionary sometimes puts a few verses in parentheses so people can skip them... these are generally the tougher verses about God hating sin and punishing the wicked. Our rector says, &quot;It&#039;s all God&#039;s Word! Don&#039;t leave anything out!&quot; so we read those verses too. 

In my own prayer life over the past four years that I&#039;ve been a Christian, the psalms have played a significant role. I&#039;ve gradually taken on the spiritual discipline of reading both morning and evening prayer daily, on my own. As a result, I typically read 2-3 psalms each day. 

The psalms helped me learn how to pray -- I didn&#039;t have any idea, really, but I could read and pray through the Psalms, and discover there how to speak to God, with the Psalmist&#039;s words when I didn&#039;t know what to say on my own. They still help me to grow in prayer and I suspect they always will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Psalms are wonderful! </p>
<p>In our church we have a psalm between the OT and NT lessons, sometimes said responsively and sometimes sung. During Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer (which we have as a separate short service every day, whether it&#8217;s right before a mass or not) we have a psalm, said responsively. (That is, the reader reads a verse, the congregation reads the next verse, and so back and forth.) </p>
<p>The only quibble I have is that on Sundays we often get only a portion of a psalm, rather than the whole thing. I suspect our rector would like to have complete psalms but perhaps doesn&#8217;t want to push people&#8217;s patience. One thing I that I think is great is that he does insist that we read the whole psalm. The lectionary sometimes puts a few verses in parentheses so people can skip them&#8230; these are generally the tougher verses about God hating sin and punishing the wicked. Our rector says, &#8220;It&#8217;s all God&#8217;s Word! Don&#8217;t leave anything out!&#8221; so we read those verses too. </p>
<p>In my own prayer life over the past four years that I&#8217;ve been a Christian, the psalms have played a significant role. I&#8217;ve gradually taken on the spiritual discipline of reading both morning and evening prayer daily, on my own. As a result, I typically read 2-3 psalms each day. </p>
<p>The psalms helped me learn how to pray &#8212; I didn&#8217;t have any idea, really, but I could read and pray through the Psalms, and discover there how to speak to God, with the Psalmist&#8217;s words when I didn&#8217;t know what to say on my own. They still help me to grow in prayer and I suspect they always will.</p>
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		<title>By: Coyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen brother- though I confess to being more a fan of the Scots Metrical Psalter than the Genevan one ;)
Great work on the website!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen brother- though I confess to being more a fan of the Scots Metrical Psalter than the Genevan one ;)<br />
Great work on the website!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord willing we will read the Psalm responsively after the OT lesson this Lord&#039;s Day, but I wish we were closer to singing more!

Interesting history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord willing we will read the Psalm responsively after the OT lesson this Lord&#8217;s Day, but I wish we were closer to singing more!</p>
<p>Interesting history.</p>
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		<title>By: David T. Koyzis</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2010/02/the-decline-of-psalms-in-the-liturgy/#comment-5857</link>
		<dc:creator>David T. Koyzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison, what a wonderful testimony to your own love of God! I love to read this sort of thing from others who have made similar use of the psalms in their own prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison, what a wonderful testimony to your own love of God! I love to read this sort of thing from others who have made similar use of the psalms in their own prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commend you on your own efforts to restore the psalms to worship, David.  I  have looked at your website, and it appears to be a testament to your love of and faith in God.  If I had any musical ability at all, I would love to be able to chant or sing the psalms.  After converting to Orthodoxy, I came to understand the beautiful role that the psalms can play in worship.  And it has only been recently that I have started to pray and read them more frequently.  I have only been a Christian for about six years, and I wonder why it took me so long to understand the beauty of the psalms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend you on your own efforts to restore the psalms to worship, David.  I  have looked at your website, and it appears to be a testament to your love of and faith in God.  If I had any musical ability at all, I would love to be able to chant or sing the psalms.  After converting to Orthodoxy, I came to understand the beautiful role that the psalms can play in worship.  And it has only been recently that I have started to pray and read them more frequently.  I have only been a Christian for about six years, and I wonder why it took me so long to understand the beauty of the psalms.</p>
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