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		<title>By: FrZeile</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/12/temple-prostitution-a-modest-proposal/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>FrZeile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Fr.McCain, for sharing this piece from Lutheran Forum (may they reap new subscriptions therefrom!). It is spot-on.
But beside the irony is also the tragedy, the deeply unsettling reality that the moral markers have been moved, first to justify abortion, now to justify institutionalized sodomy. Those of us who supported civil rights in the &#039;60&#039;s feel &quot;taken in,&quot; because what we thought was a moral consensus based on recognition of universal moral law is now transmogrified into &quot;trendier than thou.&quot;  The greatest sin, apparently, is to be behind the times. The frenetic need to anticipate the future and to disown the past, as well as devalue (by relativizing, if not by actually defaming) past values is not new. It is as old as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Fr.McCain, for sharing this piece from Lutheran Forum (may they reap new subscriptions therefrom!). It is spot-on.<br />
But beside the irony is also the tragedy, the deeply unsettling reality that the moral markers have been moved, first to justify abortion, now to justify institutionalized sodomy. Those of us who supported civil rights in the &#8217;60&#8242;s feel &#8220;taken in,&#8221; because what we thought was a moral consensus based on recognition of universal moral law is now transmogrified into &#8220;trendier than thou.&#8221;  The greatest sin, apparently, is to be behind the times. The frenetic need to anticipate the future and to disown the past, as well as devalue (by relativizing, if not by actually defaming) past values is not new. It is as old as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Rant of the Week: 1/3/10-1/9/10 &#187; The Ethereal Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rant of the Week: 1/3/10-1/9/10 &#187; The Ethereal Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Temple Prostitution by Rev. Paul T. McCain [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fred from Tobacco Road</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/12/temple-prostitution-a-modest-proposal/#comment-4573</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred from Tobacco Road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little breathtaking that folks brush the satire aside and belly on up to the thought of temple prostitution.  What&#039;s the difference between homosexuality and being a temple prostitute? Maybe the slope is more slippery than anyone thought, including the author.  It was supposed to be shocking food for thought, not a good idea?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little breathtaking that folks brush the satire aside and belly on up to the thought of temple prostitution.  What&#8217;s the difference between homosexuality and being a temple prostitute? Maybe the slope is more slippery than anyone thought, including the author.  It was supposed to be shocking food for thought, not a good idea?!</p>
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		<title>By: William L. Harnist</title>
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		<dc:creator>William L. Harnist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suspect that most of the married men in the congregation are also sexually attracted to women, not just most of the single men!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suspect that most of the married men in the congregation are also sexually attracted to women, not just most of the single men!</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gay marriage is akin to interracial marriage, not to sexual promiscuity. . . . The gay marriage movement is a move away from promiscuity and toward loving relationships, not the reverse.&quot;

Why, DB, are you so willing to deny the benefits of marriage to those persons who are constitutionally unable to handle any other than multiple sexual partners? And why limit marriage to those in long-term loving relationships? Do not the demands of inclusivity call for abandoning such atavistic and bigoted limitations? If you really want to embrace those on the sexual margins, you really need to move beyond them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gay marriage is akin to interracial marriage, not to sexual promiscuity. . . . The gay marriage movement is a move away from promiscuity and toward loving relationships, not the reverse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, DB, are you so willing to deny the benefits of marriage to those persons who are constitutionally unable to handle any other than multiple sexual partners? And why limit marriage to those in long-term loving relationships? Do not the demands of inclusivity call for abandoning such atavistic and bigoted limitations? If you really want to embrace those on the sexual margins, you really need to move beyond them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB:

Judging on literary grounds alone, this is brilliant satire, whether you agree with Pastor Speckhard or not.

The comparison to interracial marriage is phony, as is every other attempt to equate sexual persuasion with race. People of two different skin colors can still generate children by the marriage; people of the same sex can&#039;t. As hard as so many people have tried to make it otherwise, reproduction is still part of the foundation of marriage, and the biggest reason why &quot;gay marriage&quot; is an oxymoron.

Yes, we all know that racial bigots -- who weren&#039;t all Christian conservatives (let&#039;s not re-write history)! -- opposed mixed marriages, for reasons that were neither religiously justified nor scientifically valid. But even if the integrity of the sciences had not been compromised by social-action interest groups, we would still have valid religious grounds not to call same-sex unions &quot;marriages&quot;. Yes, some form of committed long-term relationship is better than promiscuity. But it would be even better not to abuse the gift of sex. And it still wouldn&#039;t justify calling that relationship a &quot;marriage&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB:</p>
<p>Judging on literary grounds alone, this is brilliant satire, whether you agree with Pastor Speckhard or not.</p>
<p>The comparison to interracial marriage is phony, as is every other attempt to equate sexual persuasion with race. People of two different skin colors can still generate children by the marriage; people of the same sex can&#8217;t. As hard as so many people have tried to make it otherwise, reproduction is still part of the foundation of marriage, and the biggest reason why &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; is an oxymoron.</p>
<p>Yes, we all know that racial bigots &#8212; who weren&#8217;t all Christian conservatives (let&#8217;s not re-write history)! &#8212; opposed mixed marriages, for reasons that were neither religiously justified nor scientifically valid. But even if the integrity of the sciences had not been compromised by social-action interest groups, we would still have valid religious grounds not to call same-sex unions &#8220;marriages&#8221;. Yes, some form of committed long-term relationship is better than promiscuity. But it would be even better not to abuse the gift of sex. And it still wouldn&#8217;t justify calling that relationship a &#8220;marriage&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John the Proud Anglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>John the Proud Anglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you DB.  What I don&#039;t understand is why most of you &quot;bible believin&quot; folks aren&#039;t out there writing brilliant satire about usury, or the &quot;abominations&quot; of eating certain kinds of meat, wearing mixed fabrics, etc.

The &quot;satirist&quot; is absolutely correct about one thing.  That is the generation coming up now is indeed eschewing arguments (biblical or otherwise) against equal rights for all people, whether they be in the arena of marriage, housing, jobs, whatever.  Thank God for that.  

And as for my Anglican brother, if you don&#039;t see the striking similarity between the arguments used against interracial marriage then and same-sex marriage today (it&#039;s unnatural,etc.), then perhaps you need to do some serious Googling and look up the arguments made then and now and compare them side by side.  And what statistics are you referring to in regard to same-sex marriage and promiscuity?  Are they from a &quot;we can convert you gays to straights&quot; group?  A good dose of common sense is in order here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you DB.  What I don&#8217;t understand is why most of you &#8220;bible believin&#8221; folks aren&#8217;t out there writing brilliant satire about usury, or the &#8220;abominations&#8221; of eating certain kinds of meat, wearing mixed fabrics, etc.</p>
<p>The &#8220;satirist&#8221; is absolutely correct about one thing.  That is the generation coming up now is indeed eschewing arguments (biblical or otherwise) against equal rights for all people, whether they be in the arena of marriage, housing, jobs, whatever.  Thank God for that.  </p>
<p>And as for my Anglican brother, if you don&#8217;t see the striking similarity between the arguments used against interracial marriage then and same-sex marriage today (it&#8217;s unnatural,etc.), then perhaps you need to do some serious Googling and look up the arguments made then and now and compare them side by side.  And what statistics are you referring to in regard to same-sex marriage and promiscuity?  Are they from a &#8220;we can convert you gays to straights&#8221; group?  A good dose of common sense is in order here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill the Anxious Anglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill the Anxious Anglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB: What is sad that you do not address the substance of the post and substitute assertion for argument on behalf of your preferences.

E.g.:

1.  How is gay marriage like interracial marriage?
2.  Who were the conservative Christians who were against interracial marriage?  Did they rely on Biblical bases to do so?  Do they represent a majority or fringe of the whole population of Christians?  (Oh, and back to #1: so what?)
3.  What evidence do you have that gay marriage moves gays away from promiscuity toward loving relationships (especially in light of the statistics that seem to indicate to the contrary)?
4.  Why is it &quot;sad&quot; that people disagree with your preference and perceive your position as logically (and scripturally) indefensible?

Just wondering.  

And happy new year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB: What is sad that you do not address the substance of the post and substitute assertion for argument on behalf of your preferences.</p>
<p>E.g.:</p>
<p>1.  How is gay marriage like interracial marriage?<br />
2.  Who were the conservative Christians who were against interracial marriage?  Did they rely on Biblical bases to do so?  Do they represent a majority or fringe of the whole population of Christians?  (Oh, and back to #1: so what?)<br />
3.  What evidence do you have that gay marriage moves gays away from promiscuity toward loving relationships (especially in light of the statistics that seem to indicate to the contrary)?<br />
4.  Why is it &#8220;sad&#8221; that people disagree with your preference and perceive your position as logically (and scripturally) indefensible?</p>
<p>Just wondering.  </p>
<p>And happy new year!</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad how many of you think this is brilliant satire.

Gay marriage is akin to interracial marriage, not to sexual promiscuity.

Christian conservatives opposed interracial marriage half a century ago, and we all know they were wrong.

The gay marriage movement is a move away from promiscuity and toward loving relationships, not the reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad how many of you think this is brilliant satire.</p>
<p>Gay marriage is akin to interracial marriage, not to sexual promiscuity.</p>
<p>Christian conservatives opposed interracial marriage half a century ago, and we all know they were wrong.</p>
<p>The gay marriage movement is a move away from promiscuity and toward loving relationships, not the reverse.</p>
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		<title>By: race42008.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; And the Award for the Most Successful Argument for Abstinence Goes To&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>race42008.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; And the Award for the Most Successful Argument for Abstinence Goes To&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eric Speckhard proposes a logical future step for the ECLA based on this year&#8217;s policy change on homosexuality. (Hat Tip: Crunchy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: And the Award for the Most Successful Argument for Abstinence Goes To&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>And the Award for the Most Successful Argument for Abstinence Goes To&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eric Speckhard proposes a logical future step for the ECLA based on this year&#8217;s policy change on homosexuality. (Hat Tip: Crunchy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SDAV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is just like those who have made a case for murdering the innocent(abortion). The problem is -- if you are a Christian--I assume you have some belief that we will be held accountable for our actions or lack of them on earth. 
Did the Lord tell us it is OK to make it all up as we go - forget scripture and what it tells us-just because it makes us uncomfortable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is just like those who have made a case for murdering the innocent(abortion). The problem is &#8212; if you are a Christian&#8211;I assume you have some belief that we will be held accountable for our actions or lack of them on earth.<br />
Did the Lord tell us it is OK to make it all up as we go &#8211; forget scripture and what it tells us-just because it makes us uncomfortable?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Howes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Howes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fourthly, some primarily Lutheran nations in Scandinavia have already legalized prostitution. Left-hand kingdom legalities need not stand in the way of the general idea of sanctified, faithful, God-pleasing, church-sponsored prostitution.&quot;

The first time I ever visited the website of the Church of Sweden, there was an advertisement on the site for, I kid you not, &quot;Sex Tourism in Stockholm.&quot;  I have no idea whether it is still there now, but it was as of about the middle of 2002.

So your spoof is closer to reality than you might have thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fourthly, some primarily Lutheran nations in Scandinavia have already legalized prostitution. Left-hand kingdom legalities need not stand in the way of the general idea of sanctified, faithful, God-pleasing, church-sponsored prostitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first time I ever visited the website of the Church of Sweden, there was an advertisement on the site for, I kid you not, &#8220;Sex Tourism in Stockholm.&#8221;  I have no idea whether it is still there now, but it was as of about the middle of 2002.</p>
<p>So your spoof is closer to reality than you might have thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epictetus, it seems you are a great candidate for the new ELCA.  I suggest going to a Lutheran congregation, especially in a few years-- you&#039;ll probably hear stuff like this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epictetus, it seems you are a great candidate for the new ELCA.  I suggest going to a Lutheran congregation, especially in a few years&#8211; you&#8217;ll probably hear stuff like this article!</p>
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		<title>By: Temple Prostitution: A Modest Proposal &#187; First Thoughts &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple Prostitution: A Modest Proposal &#187; First Thoughts &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Evangel, Paul McCain republishes an article by Pastor Peter Speckhard, nephew of Fr. Neuhaus, advocating for the institution of temple prostitution. Fortunately, the [...]</description>
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