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	<title>Comments on: Is Jesus a Democrat or a Republican?</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/is-jesus-a-democrat-or-a-republican/#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are we really suppose to believe he wouldn’t have had a view on abortion, embryonic stem cell research, or gay marriage? When the highest moral value of a culture is unity at the expense of principle, there is no real unity and we can wonder if principles ever existed in the first place.&lt;/i&gt;

Very true. And what I find interesting is that many of the people who trumpet this &quot;Jesus is no Democrat or Republican&quot; meme often tend to deemphasize some of those particular issues, out of fear of appearing too partisan, but at the same time trumpet things like robust government intervention in health care, education, welfare/rent control/etc.

The whole abortion/stem cell/traditional marriage partisanship is horribly anti-Jesus, but the other kinds of partisanship (of the more &quot;social justice&quot; Great Society bent), that is perfectly fine. Paging Dr. Campolo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are we really suppose to believe he wouldn’t have had a view on abortion, embryonic stem cell research, or gay marriage? When the highest moral value of a culture is unity at the expense of principle, there is no real unity and we can wonder if principles ever existed in the first place.</i></p>
<p>Very true. And what I find interesting is that many of the people who trumpet this &#8220;Jesus is no Democrat or Republican&#8221; meme often tend to deemphasize some of those particular issues, out of fear of appearing too partisan, but at the same time trumpet things like robust government intervention in health care, education, welfare/rent control/etc.</p>
<p>The whole abortion/stem cell/traditional marriage partisanship is horribly anti-Jesus, but the other kinds of partisanship (of the more &#8220;social justice&#8221; Great Society bent), that is perfectly fine. Paging Dr. Campolo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/is-jesus-a-democrat-or-a-republican/#comment-2704</link>
		<dc:creator>John H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen many folks - &lt;a href=&quot;http://braincrampsforgod.blogspot.com/2009/11/culture-wars-sign-manhattan-declaration.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;myself included&lt;/a&gt; - who have consciously decided not to sign the Manhattan Declaration.

It is not that I disagree that abortion, ESCR, gay marriage, etc. are morally wrong. It is that I do not believe that Evangelicalism is handling these issues correctly. It is not the time for more focused political involvement - it is time to be Gospel-centered.

We will have moral impact on people to the degree that we bring them to Christ and let the Holy Spirit alter their behavior.

it will not be cultural or political pressure that changes people. It will be change from the inside out.

So, we did not need another (essentially) political manifesto. We need to reduce our Constantinianism toward the kingdoms of men and raise our efforts at building the Kingdom of God</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen many folks &#8211; <a href="http://braincrampsforgod.blogspot.com/2009/11/culture-wars-sign-manhattan-declaration.html" rel="nofollow">myself included</a> &#8211; who have consciously decided not to sign the Manhattan Declaration.</p>
<p>It is not that I disagree that abortion, ESCR, gay marriage, etc. are morally wrong. It is that I do not believe that Evangelicalism is handling these issues correctly. It is not the time for more focused political involvement &#8211; it is time to be Gospel-centered.</p>
<p>We will have moral impact on people to the degree that we bring them to Christ and let the Holy Spirit alter their behavior.</p>
<p>it will not be cultural or political pressure that changes people. It will be change from the inside out.</p>
<p>So, we did not need another (essentially) political manifesto. We need to reduce our Constantinianism toward the kingdoms of men and raise our efforts at building the Kingdom of God</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Collar Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Collar Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me preface this by saying that my support for the Republican Party is based on the fact that, currently, they are less likely to seek to persecute Christians for their beliefs.  I am not opposed to persecution, and I think it may be needed to wake us up in America, but Christian ought not help bring about the persecution of other Christians by supporting the Democratic Party.  A Party that is so Liberal that it is now seeking to propagate the sin for which Christ died.

The persecution of Christians is ultimately the persecution of Jesus and the Democratic Party, because of it&#039;s Liberalism, rooted in Liberal Theology may bring about the &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://whyimnotademocrat.blogspot.com/2009/06/liberal-president-obama-and-liberal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;persecution of Christians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, and Jesus Himself.  I use to be a &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://whyimnotademocrat.blogspot.com/search/label/I%20Followed%20The%20Grateful%20Dead%20Before%20I%20Followed%20Jesus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liberal Dead Head&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and know what Democrats believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me preface this by saying that my support for the Republican Party is based on the fact that, currently, they are less likely to seek to persecute Christians for their beliefs.  I am not opposed to persecution, and I think it may be needed to wake us up in America, but Christian ought not help bring about the persecution of other Christians by supporting the Democratic Party.  A Party that is so Liberal that it is now seeking to propagate the sin for which Christ died.</p>
<p>The persecution of Christians is ultimately the persecution of Jesus and the Democratic Party, because of it&#8217;s Liberalism, rooted in Liberal Theology may bring about the <b><a href="http://whyimnotademocrat.blogspot.com/2009/06/liberal-president-obama-and-liberal.html" rel="nofollow">persecution of Christians</a></b>, and Jesus Himself.  I use to be a <b><a href="http://whyimnotademocrat.blogspot.com/search/label/I%20Followed%20The%20Grateful%20Dead%20Before%20I%20Followed%20Jesus" rel="nofollow">Liberal Dead Head</a></b> and know what Democrats believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/is-jesus-a-democrat-or-a-republican/#comment-2699</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW -- didn&#039;t mean to ignore you, Sarah.  Your original point is totally sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8212; didn&#8217;t mean to ignore you, Sarah.  Your original point is totally sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan says I&#039;m really a Roman Catholic?

Oh -- you mean &lt;i&gt;he&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; really a Roman Catholic.  Let me say that he&#039;s proof that all the technical claims of RC catechists and apologists have to stand up to the test of what actual Roman Catholics believe.

I admit openly that &quot;Evangelicals&quot; fall apart under this test, but the gigantically-phony claim of &quot;unity&quot; ... oh nevermind.  blech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan says I&#8217;m really a Roman Catholic?</p>
<p>Oh &#8212; you mean <i>he&#8217;s</i> really a Roman Catholic.  Let me say that he&#8217;s proof that all the technical claims of RC catechists and apologists have to stand up to the test of what actual Roman Catholics believe.</p>
<p>I admit openly that &#8220;Evangelicals&#8221; fall apart under this test, but the gigantically-phony claim of &#8220;unity&#8221; &#8230; oh nevermind.  blech.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are we really suppose to believe he wouldn’t have had a view on abortion, embryonic stem cell research, or gay marriage? When the highest moral value of a culture is unity at the expense of principle, there is no real unity and we can wonder if principles ever existed in the first place.&lt;/i&gt;

This statement is a true gem. Definitely quotable.

I still believe it would be effective to revise this declaration to include other matters such as concern for poverty, world hunger, the end of human trafficking, and the humane treatment of women and children. Just because they aren&#039;t obvious concerns directly observable in the first world (they are, if you know where to look) doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be of great concern also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are we really suppose to believe he wouldn’t have had a view on abortion, embryonic stem cell research, or gay marriage? When the highest moral value of a culture is unity at the expense of principle, there is no real unity and we can wonder if principles ever existed in the first place.</i></p>
<p>This statement is a true gem. Definitely quotable.</p>
<p>I still believe it would be effective to revise this declaration to include other matters such as concern for poverty, world hunger, the end of human trafficking, and the humane treatment of women and children. Just because they aren&#8217;t obvious concerns directly observable in the first world (they are, if you know where to look) doesn&#8217;t mean they shouldn&#8217;t be of great concern also.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mark Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Frank is right . . . though I hear from Andrew Sullivan that he is really a Roman Catholic. 
Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Frank is right . . . though I hear from Andrew Sullivan that he is really a Roman Catholic.<br />
Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah J. Flashing</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/is-jesus-a-democrat-or-a-republican/#comment-2692</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah J. Flashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank - the Declaration came up in conversation today at church. I attend with a robust conservative woman who signed it I think before I did! She&#039;s not a blogger--she barely checks her email. I know she&#039;s rare, but in conversation with her I was stimulated to write this. The Declaration was more of an afterthought...I&#039;m mainly concerned about the first portion of the post, the lack of signatures I was asserting as more symptomatic. Just my thoughts. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank &#8211; the Declaration came up in conversation today at church. I attend with a robust conservative woman who signed it I think before I did! She&#8217;s not a blogger&#8211;she barely checks her email. I know she&#8217;s rare, but in conversation with her I was stimulated to write this. The Declaration was more of an afterthought&#8230;I&#8217;m mainly concerned about the first portion of the post, the lack of signatures I was asserting as more symptomatic. Just my thoughts. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collin --

As the resident dead, cold, rabid anti-catholic, I&#039;m offended that you didn&#039;t include me in the non-signers.  However, I can let ot go.  I&#039;m pretty forgiving.  And modest.

Ne&#039;ertheless, I suspect that the lack of signers has more to do with the lack of actual awareness.

One of the things I think we should do as bloggers is know lots of people who don&#039;t real blogs.  It keeps us grounded.  And to a man, my non-blogging friends have no idea that there is a Manhattan Declaration -- and no idea why they should care.

One group is too busy colllection 100,000 cans of food for the local food pantry.  I don&#039;t want to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that that endeavor -- which will be complete by the end of this year (they started Oct 1) -- will have a greater impact than if those 200 adults all signed the virtual document.

I&#039;m just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collin &#8211;</p>
<p>As the resident dead, cold, rabid anti-catholic, I&#8217;m offended that you didn&#8217;t include me in the non-signers.  However, I can let ot go.  I&#8217;m pretty forgiving.  And modest.</p>
<p>Ne&#8217;ertheless, I suspect that the lack of signers has more to do with the lack of actual awareness.</p>
<p>One of the things I think we should do as bloggers is know lots of people who don&#8217;t real blogs.  It keeps us grounded.  And to a man, my non-blogging friends have no idea that there is a Manhattan Declaration &#8212; and no idea why they should care.</p>
<p>One group is too busy colllection 100,000 cans of food for the local food pantry.  I don&#8217;t want to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that that endeavor &#8212; which will be complete by the end of this year (they started Oct 1) &#8212; will have a greater impact than if those 200 adults all signed the virtual document.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Brendemuehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin Brendemuehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, some folks like John MacArthur and James White are not signing.  Not because of the theme, I understand, but because of eccumenical character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, some folks like John MacArthur and James White are not signing.  Not because of the theme, I understand, but because of eccumenical character.</p>
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