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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thread is closed.  No sense fomenting the sort of discussion becoming evident here.</description>
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		<title>By: MAC</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2928</link>
		<dc:creator>MAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! How un-Christian of him to apologize on behalf of Americans for the torture that Americans inflicted. And, yeah, as a Harvard graduate and a constitutional lawyer, he&#039;s too dumb to understand  that &quot;armies and navies really do influence history. But sarah palin gets it, doesn&#039;t she? (sarcasm)

Perhaps our president understands the cost of war all too well, and does not take lightly a decision to send kids to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! How un-Christian of him to apologize on behalf of Americans for the torture that Americans inflicted. And, yeah, as a Harvard graduate and a constitutional lawyer, he&#8217;s too dumb to understand  that &#8220;armies and navies really do influence history. But sarah palin gets it, doesn&#8217;t she? (sarcasm)</p>
<p>Perhaps our president understands the cost of war all too well, and does not take lightly a decision to send kids to die.</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We  have Obama, a man who apologizes about Abu Ghraib in the land of the Citadel of Cairo, where the likes of Qutb drew his last breath. Who really doesn&#039;t understand &#039;that armies and navies&#039; really do influence history,that
 &#039;democracy sometimes regretably &#039;must be imposed by force&#039;, Otherwise as the line goes we would be speaking German or Japanese know. The irony is of course, that her public policy is not really informed by religion, unlike
say Huckabee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We  have Obama, a man who apologizes about Abu Ghraib in the land of the Citadel of Cairo, where the likes of Qutb drew his last breath. Who really doesn&#8217;t understand &#8216;that armies and navies&#8217; really do influence history,that<br />
 &#8216;democracy sometimes regretably &#8216;must be imposed by force&#8217;, Otherwise as the line goes we would be speaking German or Japanese know. The irony is of course, that her public policy is not really informed by religion, unlike<br />
say Huckabee</p>
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		<title>By: Alton Darwin</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>Alton Darwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, if I had a choice between Obama running the country or Palin running the country as President, I’d rather have Sarah Palin.

No doubt about it.&quot;

But no reason about it either...

It&#039;s what is so amazing about &quot;fans&quot; of any stripe.  There&#039;s little space for thought or consideration (much less, thoughtful consideration) because &quot;fans&quot; are too busy parking their ideological cars at the Palindome.

Obama has disappointed on certain issues, but this country was in terrible shape when he took office and it will take a lot to get it back on the right track.  How anyone could honestly posit that Sarah Palin would be managing things better defies rational thought.

She quit from the pressure of dealing with ALASKA?!?!?!  She&#039;s up to the task of wrangling the U.S. Congress, military incursions in two countries, escalations of tensions in Iran, North Korea and Gaza and the biggest financial meltdown since the Great Depression?

Please.

There&#039;s a WHOLE lotta mustard seeds in Palinworld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, if I had a choice between Obama running the country or Palin running the country as President, I’d rather have Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>No doubt about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>But no reason about it either&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what is so amazing about &#8220;fans&#8221; of any stripe.  There&#8217;s little space for thought or consideration (much less, thoughtful consideration) because &#8220;fans&#8221; are too busy parking their ideological cars at the Palindome.</p>
<p>Obama has disappointed on certain issues, but this country was in terrible shape when he took office and it will take a lot to get it back on the right track.  How anyone could honestly posit that Sarah Palin would be managing things better defies rational thought.</p>
<p>She quit from the pressure of dealing with ALASKA?!?!?!  She&#8217;s up to the task of wrangling the U.S. Congress, military incursions in two countries, escalations of tensions in Iran, North Korea and Gaza and the biggest financial meltdown since the Great Depression?</p>
<p>Please.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a WHOLE lotta mustard seeds in Palinworld.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2749</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;John Mark Reynolds&lt;/b&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Here’s what I think: I don’t want Sarah Palin running things, but I like what she brings to the political family.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, if I had a choice between Obama running the country or Palin running the country as President, I&#039;d rather have Sarah Palin.

No doubt about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>John Mark Reynolds</b>:  <i>&#8220;Here’s what I think: I don’t want Sarah Palin running things, but I like what she brings to the political family.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, if I had a choice between Obama running the country or Palin running the country as President, I&#8217;d rather have Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>No doubt about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMR --

I&#039;m not sure that apologizing for someone else&#039;s thin skin is the categorically-Christian thing to do.  I think it turns out to be enabling of bad internet behavior when one caves in to trumped-up offense.
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Karen --

I was posting at 11:19 PM, so forgive me for being tired.  At 11:19 PM.  Anything else I would say would be misinterpreted as piling on.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure that apologizing for someone else&#8217;s thin skin is the categorically-Christian thing to do.  I think it turns out to be enabling of bad internet behavior when one caves in to trumped-up offense.<br />
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<p>Karen &#8211;</p>
<p>I was posting at 11:19 PM, so forgive me for being tired.  At 11:19 PM.  Anything else I would say would be misinterpreted as piling on.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Reynolds</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

I am sorry about that. I really am. 

My goal is to love Jesus and follow Him the best I can . . . sorry to see you go.

John Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>I am sorry about that. I really am. </p>
<p>My goal is to love Jesus and follow Him the best I can . . . sorry to see you go.</p>
<p>John Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mr. Turk if Kate missed it and I missed it maybe somebody better &quot;clue&quot; us in a little more.  I am only posting here because I am going to let &quot;First Things&quot; go dark in my life now.  After reading all the posts on Professor Reynolds piece I just don&#039;t fit in.  Doesn&#039;t seem to matter if you are a professor from Biola or some secular college or university it all sounds the same to me. They smart - me not so much!  Kate and I read the condescension (had to look up that big word;o) of the ever so smart folks and well it&#039;s hard to not have so much in our &quot;noodles&quot; as the other folks.  Makes me/us feel bad.  May have to give up reading christian blogs all together.  You know my track record.  Oh ya, I really didn&#039;t like your last sentence Mr. Turk, sounds pretty snarky to me. Are you so tired from blogging?  I am matching tone here not being uncharitable just saying...  You have a nice evening too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mr. Turk if Kate missed it and I missed it maybe somebody better &#8220;clue&#8221; us in a little more.  I am only posting here because I am going to let &#8220;First Things&#8221; go dark in my life now.  After reading all the posts on Professor Reynolds piece I just don&#8217;t fit in.  Doesn&#8217;t seem to matter if you are a professor from Biola or some secular college or university it all sounds the same to me. They smart &#8211; me not so much!  Kate and I read the condescension (had to look up that big word;o) of the ever so smart folks and well it&#8217;s hard to not have so much in our &#8220;noodles&#8221; as the other folks.  Makes me/us feel bad.  May have to give up reading christian blogs all together.  You know my track record.  Oh ya, I really didn&#8217;t like your last sentence Mr. Turk, sounds pretty snarky to me. Are you so tired from blogging?  I am matching tone here not being uncharitable just saying&#8230;  You have a nice evening too.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate --

If anyone who falls into the description of the people I am talking about and admiring here (which, of course, your comment misses) ever meets me (and they do), they think of me as a &quot;them&quot;, but in a nice way.  I&#039;m from NY; they are from someplace else.  I have an advanced degree; they worked while I was in grad school.  I started real life late; they started early, and are reaping the benefits of it now (for example, those of them which are my age are now grandparents, and I have kids in grade school).

Given that my parents were first-generation college grads, I hold those who did not take this path is high esteem -- I know many of them myself.  As I said in this essay, &quot;I think these people are our spiritual friends. And while I don’t think I want them running things, as they say, I like what they bring to the family of faith and I know I can personally learn a lot from them.&quot;

I like them; I am often not like them -- to my disgrace.  Please don&#039;t take that as looking down on people who, frankly, make the world work.  Bloggers like me do not make the world work: the guy who owns his own business and works in the field with his guys doing hard things even when the weather isn&#039;t great makes the world work.

There&#039;s a parable in there about the office of the President, but I&#039;m too tired to work it out for you.  Have a nice evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate &#8211;</p>
<p>If anyone who falls into the description of the people I am talking about and admiring here (which, of course, your comment misses) ever meets me (and they do), they think of me as a &#8220;them&#8221;, but in a nice way.  I&#8217;m from NY; they are from someplace else.  I have an advanced degree; they worked while I was in grad school.  I started real life late; they started early, and are reaping the benefits of it now (for example, those of them which are my age are now grandparents, and I have kids in grade school).</p>
<p>Given that my parents were first-generation college grads, I hold those who did not take this path is high esteem &#8212; I know many of them myself.  As I said in this essay, &#8220;I think these people are our spiritual friends. And while I don’t think I want them running things, as they say, I like what they bring to the family of faith and I know I can personally learn a lot from them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like them; I am often not like them &#8212; to my disgrace.  Please don&#8217;t take that as looking down on people who, frankly, make the world work.  Bloggers like me do not make the world work: the guy who owns his own business and works in the field with his guys doing hard things even when the weather isn&#8217;t great makes the world work.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a parable in there about the office of the President, but I&#8217;m too tired to work it out for you.  Have a nice evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Genoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Genoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh... &quot;they&quot; ... &quot;them&quot;.  How open minded of you all to see a place for all those rubes out there.  Law of averages being what they are, I guess  the great unwashed have their place because that&#039;s how you all above-average folk get to keep your place.. mathematically speaking.  Yikes. Oh, FT.  Get back to the comics page and real life.  Save yourself while you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; &#8220;they&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;them&#8221;.  How open minded of you all to see a place for all those rubes out there.  Law of averages being what they are, I guess  the great unwashed have their place because that&#8217;s how you all above-average folk get to keep your place.. mathematically speaking.  Yikes. Oh, FT.  Get back to the comics page and real life.  Save yourself while you can.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mark Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I would agree, but it is a bad book for the hoi polloi. Read Reagan&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Where is the Rest of Me?&lt;/em&gt; to see a book aimed at film goers and regular folks which is also meaty and interesting. 

John Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I would agree, but it is a bad book for the hoi polloi. Read Reagan&#8217;s <em>Where is the Rest of Me?</em> to see a book aimed at film goers and regular folks which is also meaty and interesting. </p>
<p>John Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Elizabeth Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Elizabeth Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops!  Should be everywomAn, not women.</description>
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		<title>By: Mary Elizabeth Tyler</title>
		<link>http://firstthings.com/blogs/evangel/2009/11/bransonesque-splendor/#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Elizabeth Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this Frank.  It makes me look at Sarah Palin from another perspective.  I think her greatest contribution was the fact that she was like every apple pie American out there.  She represented the average hockey mom, the gun toting sportswomen, the hard crusty wife of a marine fisherman, the soft voice of a Christian perspective, and a tender, loving mom, who juggles family with the hard realities of a crass workaday world. In essence she was the Everywomen of the Everyman adage. Something men have only had the complete rights and title to for years. 

She captured the hearts of the down-home folk, but let down the folks at home, who need a leader to at least understand geography.  I would have nightmares if she became President of the United States, knowing the red button is just a fingers touch away, and if we were attacked by Iran, she may send missiles all the way to Australia. YIKES!  But I am sure, beyond all reasonable doubt, she could tell you where the blue gills and trout run-a-plenty in the icy blue, northern lakes, and where the bears sit in the woods.  Sorry, if you thought I was going for something a little more graphic, here.  

She has great gut instincts, and has a strong ability to get things done by the sheer force of determination, but she also needs to be a little savvier in the noodle department. I have to say, all in all, I really, really like her, but would I vote for her for any political office or buy her book?  NO!  Just as I would not read anything written by Ashton Kutchner (sp). 

Btw, I loved Firing Line with Buckley, and subscribed to National Review for my Fathers reading pleasure, he, too, was a fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this Frank.  It makes me look at Sarah Palin from another perspective.  I think her greatest contribution was the fact that she was like every apple pie American out there.  She represented the average hockey mom, the gun toting sportswomen, the hard crusty wife of a marine fisherman, the soft voice of a Christian perspective, and a tender, loving mom, who juggles family with the hard realities of a crass workaday world. In essence she was the Everywomen of the Everyman adage. Something men have only had the complete rights and title to for years. </p>
<p>She captured the hearts of the down-home folk, but let down the folks at home, who need a leader to at least understand geography.  I would have nightmares if she became President of the United States, knowing the red button is just a fingers touch away, and if we were attacked by Iran, she may send missiles all the way to Australia. YIKES!  But I am sure, beyond all reasonable doubt, she could tell you where the blue gills and trout run-a-plenty in the icy blue, northern lakes, and where the bears sit in the woods.  Sorry, if you thought I was going for something a little more graphic, here.  </p>
<p>She has great gut instincts, and has a strong ability to get things done by the sheer force of determination, but she also needs to be a little savvier in the noodle department. I have to say, all in all, I really, really like her, but would I vote for her for any political office or buy her book?  NO!  Just as I would not read anything written by Ashton Kutchner (sp). </p>
<p>Btw, I loved Firing Line with Buckley, and subscribed to National Review for my Fathers reading pleasure, he, too, was a fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we sometimes evaluate a book, movie, or other artistic endeavor based on what we think the book ought to have been, not what it is.  Back in the Ice Age, when I was a movie critic, I was guilty of that regularly.

Personally, I would have loved to read an erudite, pithy, esoteric book by Ms Palin - but that&#039;s not what she gave us.  Her book appears to be aimed at the &lt;i&gt;hoi polloi&lt;/i&gt;, the people who exist in such numbers that they can elect a regular person to be president.

Take President Obama, for example.  What do you suppose the average level of education was among those people that voted for him?  That is not an insult aimed at Obama or his supporters: it is to make the point that he knew how to get elected, i.e., by appealing to the masses.  Every elected official knows that - or needs to - and does that.

I&#039;m not saying I would vote for Palin, only that she and her handlers may be more shrewd than we know.  She may have taken a page from Obama&#039;s book of election strategies.

So she wrote - or someone wrote - a book that many of us (self included) would regard as pedestrian and banal.  But one man&#039;s baloney is another man&#039;s steak.  Recent election history bears that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we sometimes evaluate a book, movie, or other artistic endeavor based on what we think the book ought to have been, not what it is.  Back in the Ice Age, when I was a movie critic, I was guilty of that regularly.</p>
<p>Personally, I would have loved to read an erudite, pithy, esoteric book by Ms Palin &#8211; but that&#8217;s not what she gave us.  Her book appears to be aimed at the <i>hoi polloi</i>, the people who exist in such numbers that they can elect a regular person to be president.</p>
<p>Take President Obama, for example.  What do you suppose the average level of education was among those people that voted for him?  That is not an insult aimed at Obama or his supporters: it is to make the point that he knew how to get elected, i.e., by appealing to the masses.  Every elected official knows that &#8211; or needs to &#8211; and does that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I would vote for Palin, only that she and her handlers may be more shrewd than we know.  She may have taken a page from Obama&#8217;s book of election strategies.</p>
<p>So she wrote &#8211; or someone wrote &#8211; a book that many of us (self included) would regard as pedestrian and banal.  But one man&#8217;s baloney is another man&#8217;s steak.  Recent election history bears that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Turk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale --

So unless we&#039;re writing posts about John 3:16 or 1 Cor 15:1-4, we&#039;re not writing about the &#039;evangel&#039;?

Ask you pastor if that makes any sense, and come back here and report to us what he said.</description>
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<p>So unless we&#8217;re writing posts about John 3:16 or 1 Cor 15:1-4, we&#8217;re not writing about the &#8216;evangel&#8217;?</p>
<p>Ask you pastor if that makes any sense, and come back here and report to us what he said.</p>
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